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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It sounds more like Don Knotts in in that movie where he played a pretend gunfighter.
    whatever you say



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have read that section thousands of times

    cannot find such a power

    no one else did for 130 years either
    And to think the nation has been around for 225 plus years. Somehow someway the math seems to work against your argument.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It has not changed since the last fifteen times we went through this.
    again you stated there is a clause in the Constitution...HOWEVER you REFERENCED [A SECTION]...NOT A CLAUSE....please provide the clause.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And to think the nation has been around for 225 plus years. Somehow someway the math seems to work against your argument.

    hmmmm. i think 130 beats out 95

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes it is the same, you say its there..fine cut and paste it please....i know its not hard to do...however you refuse to do it, because you know their is no such clause.
    as I noted, we'd have a far more constructive discussion if the gun haters would just admit that FDR made it up and his justices said "WHATEVER YOU WANT" and then DDE's Justices said "PRECEDENT RULES"

    rather than the dishonest and idiotic nonsense that the founders ACTUALLY INTENDED Article I, Sec 8 as some sort of gun control power despite also adopting the 2A and 10A and never mentioning any such power.


    Real dishonesty? reading Art 1 Sec 8 to find such a power while hamstringing the 2A and 10A by using incredibly narrow interpretations combined with patently moronic arguments such as claiming "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" was intended to ALLOW all sorts of INFRINGEMENTS by a government never given any power to so infringe



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think the conversation would be much more productive if people like Haymarket would admit that FDR conjured up such a right contrary to the language of the USC and the BoR and then us supporters of the proper intent would concede that disreputable justices allowed that usurpation to stand and later "conservative justices" (slaves to precedent) refused to overturn what was clearly a violation of the intent of the founders and an abomination to the tenth amendment and the concept of a limited government. The conversation is tangled because worshippers of the FDR administration pretend that FDR's power grab was actually consistent with what the Founders intended, and that sort of dishonest prevents people like me from ever seeing any subsequent comment the expansionists make as having any credibility whatsoever.

    So, the expansionists should concede FDR was dishonest and we will then admit that his dishonesty is now the law of the land
    FDR - ranked as one of three truly GREAT presidents of all time by the experts - even when the libertarians hand pick the panel. And I suspect they know his history even better than his modern rightist critics.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    hmmmm. i think 130 beats out 95
    He cannot find a single legal scholar who can actually support that FDR's power grab was based on the intent of the founders or the actual language of Art I Sec 8. what they do say is its NOW SETTLED LAW even if the creation was fraudulent and specious



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    hmmmm. i think 130 beats out 95
    Only if the calendar on your wall reads somewhere between 1787 and the next 130 years. If it does not - you lose.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He cannot find a single legal scholar who can actually support that FDR's power grab was based on the intent of the founders or the actual language of Art I Sec 8. what they do say is its NOW SETTLED LAW even if the creation was fraudulent and specious
    Those scholars on the Court support it. And that counts for a veritable mountain of anybody you want to select against them.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you stated there is a clause in the Constitution...HOWEVER you REFERENCED [A SECTION]...NOT A CLAUSE....please provide the clause.
    I have no idea what you are talking about.
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