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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    There are those who fear guns....there are those who fear not having a gun.....and there are those who don't fit in either category.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at all. Perhaps some extremists may feel violated but only because they are falsely claiming rights that they do not have in the first place so again the self imposed delusion is only in their own mind and more of a dissociative disorder than any violation of actual rights.
    so if the government says open carry is permitted, people don't have that right

    we all know that the federal government does not have the power to tell people how they can carry or display arms except in limited circumstances (like federal courthouses) so it is a state issue and if a state's constitution allows open carry then they DO HAVE THAT RIGHT whether you LIKE IT OR NOT.

    the false delusion is the in minds of the gun tremblers who claim they have a right not to be upset



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nor do your fears causing you or others to have weapons - even lots of weapons - have anything to do with my rights.
    What right?

    But since we are NOT talking about any freedom or right you have. So your post is irrelevant to my comment.
    The right to bear arms.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps the ideological glasses you wear impaired the clarity?

    no i see and understand you fine......you have a tendency, to call people names using roundabouts, and key words...

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is not a power for the government, it is a restriction on the federal government, there is no power in the 2nd for the federal government to act on to regulate

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have never made any bones of the reality that the Dec lied about many things. I have never said otherwise. Loving this nation means you can accept the reality of its lies and still love the American people in spite of them.
    your problem haymarket is you all over the place.

    you SIGHT constitutional law, then you sight reality, and then always run back to the USSC.

    you cannot sight the writings of constitutional law for a position.....and then defend it with reality and USSC.

    THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and reality are from two different planets.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if the government says open carry is permitted, people don't have that right

    we all know that the federal government does not have the power to tell people how they can carry or display arms except in limited circumstances (like federal courthouses) so it is a state issue and if a state's constitution allows open carry then they DO HAVE THAT RIGHT whether you LIKE IT OR NOT.

    the false delusion is the in minds of the gun tremblers who claim they have a right not to be upset
    What is a "gun trembler"? Is that a person with a shaky hand with a firearm in their possession?

    By all means please present the law supporting your claims. My copy of the US Constitution lists several powers of Congress in the area of firearms that you apparently do not have in yours. We disagree all the time on this Turtle. All the time. You also disagree with the federal government and with many laws and Court decisions in this area.

    So having said that - and meaning no disrespect to you as a person - why should I believe anything you say on this since you have presented your opinion to me many many many times before as law and it was obviously not true then? For example, the Constitiution says the Congress shall have the power to regulate, arm and discipline the militia. And we know from law that all able bodied persons are in the militia. But your position is that Congress can do no such thing.

    So again - no disrespect to you as a person - but why should I believe you on this when most of these things come down to an interpretation of the law that is NOT CUT AND DRY and are areas which even attorneys and legal experts disagree on?

    You are an attorney. I am not. So as a trained attorney please tell me something....... if a state declares some behavior as a right and the federal constitution does not recognize that behavior as a right - is that right and the exercise of that right limited to the residents of that state and only within that state and is NOT considered their right as an American but as a resident of that state?

    I am asking you to get your trained professional opinion based on current law.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your problem haymarket is you all over the place.

    you SIGHT constitutional law, then you sight reality, and then always run back to the USSC.

    you cannot sight the writings of constitutional law for a position.....and then defend it with reality and USSC.

    THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW and reality are from two different planets.
    Constitutional law exists within reality as defined by the US Supreme Court. They are all part of the same reality.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no i see and understand you fine......you have a tendency, to call people names using roundabouts, and key words...
    I have no idea what you are attempting to allude to. Can you give me example of me using a "roundabout" or these magical "key words"?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    My copy of the US Constitution lists several powers of Congress in the area of firearms that you apparently do not have in yours.
    since i am a Madison protege...and since constitutional law is #1 on my hit parade i would like to see your copy, because there are no firearms powers in the constitution or the bill of rights.

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