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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nope, not going to play that game. Your posts insinuated that 80-90% consider people like me extremist
    i like this one.....where haymarket stated gun owners and people who support the right, have a "disorder", and don't live in a real world.


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    I would agree. Its really those things and a form of willful dissociative disorder resulting in living in an alternate reality other then the USA the vast majority live in.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now I know why the title AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH angered some on the far right.
    I've never seen it, I wouldn't know. After i forced myself to sit through Bowling for Columbine I decided I'll not watch another Micheal Moor production.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If you weren't poor, why the hell did you live in that neighborhood? Why not move somewhere safer?



    There's nothing wrong with being prepared but it's much better to live somewhere that you don't have to be prepared for imminent violence. If chronic violence isn't a problem, you don't need to have a gun close at hand, do you?
    Home invasions happen in any neighborhood, esp. nicer ones. So do night break-in robberies and rapes. I know you are aware of this.


    Again...you agreed with preparation. These home invasions/break-ins are just as common, if not more, than house fires and most reasonable people do fire drills with their families and have plans to escape and meet, etc. They also carry insurance on the home.

    What good is calling the police when you can be shot or raped in the time it takes them to get there? 5 minutes? Way too late.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For three years I worked in the state capital as chief of staff for a state legislator. A few times each year, well organized armed groups of heavily armed men come to the capital to lobby. When they do so, school groups of children flee the capital on the spot as terrified people are simply disturbed by the appearance of them. Others were called in transit and turned around and went back aborting the education experience that was planned - in some cases for the better part of a year. So the public has been harmed.

    I have repeatedly brought up the idea of armed men hostile to a speaker or viewpoint at public meetings that would have an obvious chilling effect upon the citizenry and their representatives. One gun advocate here openly admitted and welcomed such a chilling intimidation of others rights.
    I guess parents should teach their kids not to be afraid of guns. As should school boards and the media in general. Those kids arent 'naturally' afraid of guns the way some people are afraid of heights. They were TAUGHT to perceive them in a certain way, much the way you seem to.

    Again...you blame the wrong people. And no harm was done, be real. Was all society brain damaged back in the days of the frontier when guns were carried openly, on wagons, on belts, on saddles? No....guns are tools and teaching kids otherwise is **doing them harm**. Dangerous tools to be respected? Yes, just like cars. Are kids terrified of cars? No? Why not? Thousands more of them die every year IN them and run over BY them than shot by guns.

    And again.....you are afraid of the baseless. This stuff HASNT HAPPENED. No hostile open carrier has threatened anyone...have they? Did they shoot anyone? The sad thing is, you have duped yourself into forgetting that ANYONE (in many states at least) can still be carrying a gun...you just dont see it!

    Talk about 'ostrich.'
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    SO HERE IS THE QUESTION: if the gun lobby and their supporters get their way, do you want to live in an America where openly armed men are commonplace in our streets, in our buildings, in our halls, in our stores, and just about everywhere? Do you want to live in an America where when you yell at a ballplayer on the field somebody with that jersey on a few rows ahead of you stands up, yells back at you to shut up and is wearing a firearm in a clear sign of intimidation? Would it cause you concern and outright fright if you and your family to be eating at a restaurant when two fella's walk in wearing camo with guns on their back and hips and they are clearly not police nor soldiers?
    I answered this myself earlier....and you ignored my response.

    There are at least 20 states where people could be doing that right now. Open carrying all the time, and almost everywhere. My own state is one of them.

    Why arent people doing it? There is no law stopping them.


    So again, your claim is completely baseless. Nothing more than hysteria. And again, it also ignores the large numbers of people carrying concealed....just because you cant see it you can convince yourself to be comfortable?

    Why the heck should the rest of us be punished because of silly baseless fears of individuals that are *unreasonable*. It is unreasonable to just be able to forget that thousands around you in public are armed because you cant see it, but then fear when the arms are visible. There is right and wrong and it is wrong to shove your fears down others' throats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.
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    Carrying a firearm is like carrying a cell phone for some people...part of their daily habit. And if their style of clothing makes cc uncomfortable or impossible (to conceal) then it's just a matter of convenience. Certainly not intimidation.

    Some states have a stupid law that makes it illegal to 'print' but not open carry. So you can be arrested if someone 'notices' your gun under your clothes but not if you openly carry it. Hypocrisy at its best. So of course those people would OC rather than risk CC under T-shirt and shorts, for example.

    See the ridiculous (& I'd say useless) some of the restrictions and laws are against gun owners and carriers? And you think we want to open the door to more people who think garbage like that is 'reasonable?'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You mean when 2A rights were not applicable to the states and anti gun Democrats had created an environment of hoplophobia?
    nope - not at all what I mean.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i like this one.....where haymarket stated gun owners and people who support the right, have a "disorder", and don't live in a real world.
    I really like this one .... Herr Barkmann tries to pretend I was attacking all gun owners when I was only discussing those who cannot tell the difference between the reality of the USA we live in and their self made pretend world.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I guess parents should teach their kids not to be afraid of guns. As should school boards and the media in general. Those kids arent 'naturally' afraid of guns the way some people are afraid of heights. They were TAUGHT to perceive them in a certain way, much the way you seem to.

    Again...you blame the wrong people. And no harm was done, be real. Was all society brain damaged back in the days of the frontier when guns were carried openly, on wagons, on belts, on saddles? No....guns are tools and teaching kids otherwise is **doing them harm**. Dangerous tools to be respected? Yes, just like cars. Are kids terrified of cars? No? Why not? Thousands more of them die every year IN them and run over BY them than shot by guns.
    So first we get some here saying that people have no real right to their own fears and now we have you telling parents what they should teach their kids about guns. Wonderful.

    ANy other control you want to have over people and their lives?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really like this one .... Herr Barkmann tries to pretend I was attacking all gun owners when I was only discussing those who cannot tell the difference between the reality of the USA we live in and their self made pretend world.

    I don't know many-if any-gun owners who live in a pretend world. Gun owners tend to be more realistic and reality based then the pillow headed anti gunners who think the cops will always arrive on time or that they won't ever encounter a violent psychopath.

    its funny-most anti gunners I meet won't trust their fellow citizens, their neighbors and coworkers to carry a pistol or own an "assault weapon" but they trust criminals not to kill them and the government to be 100% beneficent



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