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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you tried to claim that 80-90% support far more than those stupid background checks.
    By all means do present my quote saying that.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you mean. the post has been reprinted a few times now from Crimefree - a very vocal supporter of the gun lobby position and open carry. Here is his post giving his opinion when I wrote about the intimidation factor in public meetings having a chilling effect on others rights:

    He makes no secret about his intent with open carry.
    As I said, I would agree with you that he shouldn't OC to intimidate, but I would agree with him that he should OC even if others are intimidated.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By all means do present my quote saying that.
    Nope, not going to play that game. Your posts insinuated that 80-90% consider people like me extremist



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually - it is not. This is this. This is NOT something else.
    CC vs OC is just style of dress, nothing more. There was a time women couldn't have a bathing suit shorter than a certain length, and police would walk the beach measuring suits for compliance. This is the same thing.

    In fact there was a time concealed carry wasn't allowed at all, only open carry, as a public safety policy. The reasoning was that 1. the public had the right to know if an armed person was in their company, and 2. it was said that someone carrying concealed considered themselves morally superior to others.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As I said, I would agree with you that he shouldn't OC to intimidate, but I would agree with him that he should OC even if others are intimidated.
    His intent was clear that he wants to intimidate people. As such, it becomes a valid reason for a citizen to oppose open carry.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nope, not going to play that game. Your posts insinuated that 80-90% consider people like me extremist
    Asking anyone here to back up their claims with evidence is NOT playing a game. it is one of the key parts of debate.

    Where did I say that 80 to 90% of Americans consider you an extremist?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    CC vs OC is just style of dress, nothing more. There was a time women couldn't have a bathing suit shorter than a certain length, and police would walk the beach measuring suits for compliance. This is the same thing.

    In fact there was a time concealed carry wasn't allowed at all, only open carry, as a public safety policy. The reasoning was that 1. the public had the right to know if an armed person was in their company, and 2. it was said that someone carrying concealed considered themselves morally superior to others.
    Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.

    Yes, I realize that the standard has changed. And we need to return to what that standard was before the radicals ambushed the gun issue in the last decade or two.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry - not buying that line.
    It's not a line. It's just a fact. Do you even carry a gun yourself to know?

    The only handgun I own right now is the one given to me by my commander in commemoration of our deployment. When I carry it concealed, the barrel wears a hole in my pants. There's nothing to be intimidated about when I OC to save my jeans. All this about several 'well armed' men in camo flooding the capitol is just your silly hysteria again.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not a line. It's just a fact. Do you even carry a gun yourself to know?

    The only handgun I own right now is the one given to me by my commander in commemoration of our deployment. When I carry it concealed, the barrel wears a hole in my pants. There's nothing to be intimidated about when I OC to save my jeans. All this about several 'well armed' men in camo flooding the capitol is just your silly hysteria again.
    Now I know why the title AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH angered some on the far right.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry - not buying that line. Shorts versus long pants on a summer day is a style of dress. Open carry is not.

    Yes, I realize that the standard has changed. And we need to return to what that standard was before the radicals ambushed the gun issue in the last decade or two.
    You mean when 2A rights were not applicable to the states and anti gun Democrats had created an environment of hoplophobia?



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