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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what is the standard for what constitutes INTIMIDATION for that law to be enforced?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your honesty. We have two very different ideas of what America should be and the environment we want to live in and bring up our families in. That is pretty clear.

    That does not necessarily make one of us right and the other wrong - the American people will have to decide which vision for America they prefer.


    I notice you said that open carry is restricted at government functions and meetings. Do you agree that open carry in some situations can have a chilling effect upon the other citizens ability to freely exercise their rights?
    I know some states restrict only OC where they may still allow CC, so please let me clarify that where we ban guns, it's any gun carried in any form, and the cops will have set up a metal detector at the door. Likewise where we allow guns, it's any gun carried in any form. To us the issue is rather or not a gun is there. How you choose to carry it is a personal fashion choice of your own identical in all ways to your choice of pants and shirt for the day.

    My state is mostly at peace with our loose gun laws and we've moved on to what we think are more important issues like lowering the drinking age, repealing our same-sex marriage ban, reforming gambling taxes (actually increasing them to keep from having to pay higher property taxes) and most recently a ban on texting while driving.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what is the standard for what constitutes INTIMIDATION for that law to be enforced? I would suspect it involves some open verbal or physical threat. I would contend that the mere presence of armed men in the public meeting has a chilling effect of intimidation in and of itself. And Crimefree admitted it yesterday and welcomed that appearance of intimidation as one of the purposes of the open carry.
    There's a difference between someone trying to intimidate you on purpose, and you feeling intimidated when you happen to see something. My stepmother is downright terrified of muscular men since they remind her of her abusive brother. An athletic man who wears a light t-shirt on a hot day isn't trying to intimidate her, but she will be terrified regardless.

    You would have that man put in prison.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Varies from one location to the next...look it up in your area if you want.
    I was asking the person who discussed the open carry law in their state and their law against intimidation.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There's a difference between someone trying to intimidate you on purpose, and you feeling intimidated when you happen to see something. My stepmother is downright terrified of muscular men since they remind her of her abusive brother. An athletic man who wears a light t-shirt on a hot day isn't trying to intimidate her, but she will be terrified regardless.

    You would have that man put in prison.
    One of your colleagues here already admitted and was quite happy about guns as an intimidation factor to silence the opposition and bully the elected representatives of the people.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I know some states restrict only OC where they may still allow CC, so please let me clarify that where we ban guns, it's any gun carried in any form, and the cops will have set up a metal detector at the door. Likewise where we allow guns, it's any gun carried in any form. To us the issue is rather or not a gun is there. How you choose to carry it is a personal fashion choice of your own identical in all ways to your choice of pants and shirt for the day.

    My state is mostly at peace with our loose gun laws and we've moved on to what we think are more important issues like lowering the drinking age, repealing our same-sex marriage ban, reforming gambling taxes (actually increasing them to keep from having to pay higher property taxes) and most recently a ban on texting while driving.
    I would disagree and say how you carry the gun is a community matter to be decided by the people.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    One of your colleagues here already admitted and was quite happy about guns as an intimidation factor to silence the opposition and bully the elected representatives of the people.
    Download yourself a free voice recorder app and post the MP3 here, when you can. I would agree with you that he shouldn't OC to intimidate, but I would agree with him that he should OC even if others are intimidated.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would disagree and say how you carry the gun is a community matter to be decided by the people.
    To the extent you want a community dictating a dress code, sure. Banning an OC handgun is like banning pant suits from women.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Download yourself a free voice recorder app and post the MP3 here, when you can.
    I have no idea what you mean. the post has been reprinted a few times now from Crimefree - a very vocal supporter of the gun lobby position and open carry. Here is his post giving his opinion when I wrote about the intimidation factor in public meetings having a chilling effect on others rights:

    I have not one smidgen of doubt lying, duplicitous, excuses for human beings are so scared out of their wits they are willing to endanger the public's safety and usurp their rights so if the public should find out about their underhand and corrupt dealings they cannot become angry and take it out on them. Politicians not worthy of employment have been doing this for years in order to ensure and usurp power making sure government holds the monopoly of power.

    I think Thomas Jones Whitehall diaries presents the fear of these cowards as they mislead citizens with lies and endangerment of life without so much as pausing for breath.

    Politicians for once facing armed citizens in public discourse my actually tell the truth. I would love to see them quaking at every answer. The world would be a better place. All governments should fear its citizens as it is citizens task to chastise or correct them when they do wrong.
    He makes no secret about his intent with open carry.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The figure has been well established and here is ample verifiable evidence of it

    Gabby Giffords says Americans "overwhelmingly" support expanding background checks | PolitiFact



    When 80 to 90% of those Americans polled support background checks and you loathe and oppose them, it is their view which is mainstream - not yours.

    This issue is not gay marriage.
    you tried to claim that 80-90% support far more than those stupid background checks.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Download yourself a free voice recorder app and post the MP3 here, when you can. I would agree with you that he shouldn't OC to intimidate, but I would agree with him that he should OC even if others are intimidated.


    To the extent you want a community dictating a dress code, sure. Banning an OC handgun is like banning pant suits from women.
    Actually - it is not. This is this. This is NOT something else.
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