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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no constitutional right to openly carry and intimidate your fellow Americans. I fully realize that your side knows they are a minority and knows they cannot win through sheer majority numbers so this is the strategy they have adopted. It is disgusting. It is unAmerican. And it is no better than terrorism.
    Sorry. We have a right to bear arms. Open carry is bearing arms.

    Clearly, if someone is threatening you with violence, you have a case, but if they are just going about their business while armed, you are overreacting.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no constitutional right to openly carry and intimidate your fellow Americans. I fully realize that your side knows they are a minority and knows they cannot win through sheer majority numbers so this is the strategy they have adopted. It is disgusting. It is unAmerican. And it is no better than terrorism.



    That grandma sure is terrifying.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    at one time most of america was against gay marriage. were those who supported gay marriage "extremist"? your 80-90% figure is a joke BTW
    The figure has been well established and here is ample verifiable evidence of it

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lmingly-suppo/

    • Washington Post-ABC News poll, April 11-14, 2013: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 86 percent. Oppose: 13 percent.

    • CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, April 5-7, 2013: "Some proposals would require a background check on anyone attempting to purchase a gun in order to determine whether the prospective buyer has been convicted of a felony or has a mental health problem. Please tell me whether you would favor or oppose a background check for a prospective gun buyer under each of the following circumstances. ... If the buyer is trying to purchase a gun at a gun show." Favor: 83 percent. Oppose: 17 percent.

    "Please tell me whether you would favor or oppose a background check for anyone who wants to buy ammunition for a gun." Favor: 55 percent. Oppose: 44 percent.

    • Quinnipiac University poll, March 26-April 1, 2013. "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 91 percent. Oppose: 8 percent.

    • CBS News poll, March 20-24, 2013. "Would you favor or oppose background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 90 percent. Oppose: 8 percent.
    When 80 to 90% of those Americans polled support background checks and you loathe and oppose them, it is their view which is mainstream - not yours.

    This issue is not gay marriage.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If you weren't poor, why the hell did you live in that neighborhood? Why not move somewhere safer?
    It was a temporary move after college.

    There's nothing wrong with being prepared but it's much better to live somewhere that you don't have to be prepared for imminent violence. If chronic violence isn't a problem, you don't need to have a gun close at hand, do you?
    :raises eyebrow: Sure. And since car crashes happen so rarely, there's no need to wear a seatbelt, either. Death and chronic disease strike such a small portion of the population in any given year, why buy insurance?

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The figure has been well established and here is ample verifiable evidence of it

    Gabby Giffords says Americans "overwhelmingly" support expanding background checks | PolitiFact



    When 80 to 90% of those Americans polled support background checks and you loathe and oppose them, it is their view which is mainstream - not yours.

    This issue is not gay marriage.
    Add to that the myths propagated that 1/2 to 1 million lives are saved by legal gun owners is in itself a lie.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If I open carried around my town, I would be intentionally intimidating people? That would be my reason for openly carrying my firearm?

    Never got an answer to this either:
    For three years I worked in the state capital as chief of staff for a state legislator. A few times each year, well organized armed groups of heavily armed men come to the capital to lobby. When they do so, school groups of children flee the capital on the spot as terrified people are simply disturbed by the appearance of them. Others were called in transit and turned around and went back aborting the education experience that was planned - in some cases for the better part of a year. So the public has been harmed.

    I have repeatedly brought up the idea of armed men hostile to a speaker or viewpoint at public meetings that would have an obvious chilling effect upon the citizenry and their representatives. One gun advocate here openly admitted and welcomed such a chilling intimidation of others rights.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It was a temporary move after college.
    In London I lived in what was then considered a slum and enjoyed it.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well thank you I certainly hope so.


    Here's the thing... most of the strongly pro-gun advocates on DP are more passionate and more... erm... zealous about it all than Joe Average Gunowner, to be sure... and yet I think you'd find that 80% or more of the pro-gunners on DP, even, think most of what That Guy I Won't Name says is somewhere way off in... well, it would be best if I left that incomplete. I'm sure you get my drift.



    But trying to take something he said and make into a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or strategy... well that doesn't reflect well on you either, tbh.
    there is common ground upon which we agree Goshin. And I will not allow those views to frame the argument for all - although they are clearly out there and do exist and must be considered.

    I respect your common sense Goshin - so I would appreciate it if you could give me an answer regarding the Norman Rockwell Freedom of Speech painting I have brought up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...ech_(painting)

    Would it not have a chilling effect upon the citizens ability to exercise their right of free speech in a public forum if you add to the painting a few scowling heavily armed men who are obviously not happy with what the speaker is saying instead of the faces we do see in that town hall meeting?

    That is NOT the America I want to live in nor do I think others do. I have seen with my own two eyes the effect forty or fifty armed men had on the Michigan state capital when they came to lobby all dressed in camo and heavily armed. School groups fled and children were denied their educational experience just so a bunch of grown men could play GI Joe and get off on the effect they were causing.

    America is about a careful and considerate balancing of rights. The old saw about your right to swing your arms ends at the face of another comes to mind. You want to keep and bear arms? Fine with me. Get a CCW and bear all you want within the law and keep it concealed.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    For three years I worked in the state capital as chief of staff for a state legislator. A few times each year, well organized armed groups of heavily armed men come to the capital to lobby. When they do so, school groups of children flee the capital on the spot as terrified people are simply disturbed by the appearance of them. Others were called in transit and turned around and went back aborting the education experience that was planned - in some cases for the better part of a year. So the public has been harmed.

    I have repeatedly brought up the idea of armed men hostile to a speaker or viewpoint at public meetings that would have an obvious chilling effect upon the citizenry and their representatives. One gun advocate here openly admitted and welcomed such a chilling intimidation of others rights.


    Oh the horror!

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is NOT the America I want to live in....
    Open a Chip-In and I won't be the only one donating to buy you a seat next to Piers Morgan.

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