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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I simply take what is provided and given to me.

    I suspect that Crimefree missed the memo or was absent for the seminar on how to hide the agenda and simply said something which he should not have.

    I should have suspected this came from That Guy I Wont Name.


    Hay, he isn't exactly a spokesman for the NRA. Even those of us YOU consider gun nuts tend to roll our eyes at 80% of the stuff he says...
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I never gave a definition. they define themselves by their statements. They do that without permission from anyone - and that includes both you and I.
    nope-you have labeled lots of pro gun posters as extremist in the past. I find their positions to be main stream and middle of the road



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is not the America that encourages open discussion and the exercise of others rights. It should never get to that point and such displays of extremism should be stopped with legislation from the duly elected representatives of the American people acting under the authority of the law and the Constitution.

    Why the continual vitriolic name calling Turtle?

    I am referring to a hypothetical person who would be intimidated by peaceful citizens bearing arms. you refer to such people as extremist and you claim I am doing the insulting?

    how is someone openly carrying legal guns EXTREMIST? and why you do want to infringe on their rights with legislation?



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I should have suspected this came from Crimefree.


    Hay, he isn't exactly a spokesman for the NRA. Even those of us YOU consider gun nuts tend to roll our eyes at 80% of the stuff he says...
    He cetainly is a fervent supporter of the gun lobby position on this board. If you find much of his material over the line that tells me you have a great deal of common sense.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am referring to a hypothetical person who would be intimidated by peaceful citizens bearing arms. you refer to such people as extremist and you claim I am doing the insulting?

    how is someone openly carrying legal guns EXTREMIST? and why you do want to infringe on their rights with legislation?
    Did you not previously read my posts on this subject in reference to the famous Rockwell town hall Freedom of Speech meeting?

    I will be glad to reprint them for you if you missed them.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope-you have labeled lots of pro gun posters as extremist in the past. I find their positions to be main stream and middle of the road
    earlier today in a different thread someone had the post of the week commenting on the growing trend of far right extreme positions pretending to be mainstream. I commented that such intentional delusion approaches dissociative disorder. When one does not even know where their extremism places them in relation to their fellow Americans due to their own ideological blindness - they really have a problem.

    One cannot attack the 80 to 90% of Americans who disagree with them on a gun control issue and then pretend that their position is "mainstream". The math and reality simply works against them.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    earlier today in a different thread someone had the post of the week commenting on the growing trend of far right extreme positions pretending to be mainstream. I commented that such intentional delusion approaches dissociative disorder. When one does not even know where their extremism places them in relation to their fellow Americans due to their own ideological blindness - they really have a problem.

    One cannot attack the 80 to 90% of Americans who disagree with them on a gun control issue and then pretend that their position is "mainstream". The math and reality simply works against them.
    at one time most of america was against gay marriage. were those who supported gay marriage "extremist"? your 80-90% figure is a joke BTW



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He cetainly is a fervent supporter of the gun lobby position on this board. If you find much of his material over the line that tells me you have a great deal of common sense.

    Well thank you I certainly hope so.


    Here's the thing... most of the strongly pro-gun advocates on DP are more passionate and more... erm... zealous about it all than Joe Average Gunowner, to be sure... and yet I think you'd find that 80% or more of the pro-gunners on DP, even, think most of what That Guy I Won't Name says is somewhere way off in... well, it would be best if I left that incomplete. I'm sure you get my drift.



    But trying to take something he said and make into a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or strategy... well that doesn't reflect well on you either, tbh.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never claimed you might need seven rounds. I merely avoid absolutes. I asked you to show someone verifiably NEEDED seven rounds. You never did. And you silly when you try.
    Really? Ever read the famous FBI gun fight file?

    There are definitely examples of where more rounds would likely have helped.

    But all I have to see is report after report of cops missing every shot in gun fight (and the attackers) to know that I should have every advantage in a gun fight if I ever need it and no one else's imagined fears should prevent it.

    Two easily imaginable scenarios that apply to my lifestyle.

    --Multiple home invaders....how much good is a shotgun going to do me? Home invasions typically involved at least 2-3 attackers. I have 18 rounds in my 9mm at home.

    --I am confronted in a isolated parking garage/lot by multiple attackers. Also very common. 18 shots seems reasonable to me if there are 3 of them and all of us are moving and attempting to seek cover.

    I train to shoot and move but I am not going to kid myself and think I'm going to *get instantly disabling shots into multiple attackers.* I know the realities that a few shots my kill *eventually* but not STOP someone from continuing to shoot at me.

    If you disagree I'll completely disbelieve you were ever in the military. Not that you care, but your credibility would go out the window.

    The guns and magazines are out there.....take them away from the rest of us....they only go up in value for the criminals and the losers who spend their last weeks or months planning to shoot strangers in malls or schools. The equipment doesnt go away, nor the motivation.

    So the rest of us deserve the ability to protect ourselves.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Really? Ever read the famous FBI gun fight file?

    There are definitely examples of where more rounds would likely have helped.

    But all I have to see is report after report of cops missing every shot in gun fight (and the attackers) to know that I should have every advantage in a gun fight if I ever need it and no one else's imagined fears should prevent it.

    Two easily imaginable scenarios that apply to my lifestyle.

    --Multiple home invaders....how much good is a shotgun going to do me? Home invasions typically involved at least 2-3 attackers. I have 18 rounds in my 9mm at home.

    --I am confronted in a isolated parking garage/lot by multiple attackers. Also very common. 18 shots seems reasonable to me if there are 3 of them and all of us are moving and attempting to seek cover.

    I train to shoot and move but I am not going to kid myself and think I'm going to *get instantly disabling shots into multiple attackers.* I know the realities that a few shots my kill *eventually* but not STOP someone from continuing to shoot at me.

    If you disagree I'll completely disbelieve you were ever in the military. Not that you care, but your credibility would go out the window.

    The guns and magazines are out there.....take them away from the rest of us....they only go up in value for the criminals and the losers who spend their last weeks or months planning to shoot strangers in malls or schools. The equipment doesnt go away, nor the motivation.

    So the rest of us deserve the ability to protect ourselves.
    You're likely to miss no matter how many rounds you have. It happens with adrenaline often. But, I haven't seen much fir stand toe to tie gun fights. These things are usually quick, and just meeting resistance is enough to win the day. This is not a war zone.

    But, if you have that FBI file, link it. I'll look it over.

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