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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if you are intimidated whose fault is that.
    the fault of those who are engaged in intentional intimidation.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The fact that you feel intimidated when you see your fellow Americans bearing arms doesn't negate their constitutional right to do so.
    There is no constitutional right to openly carry and intimidate your fellow Americans. I fully realize that your side knows they are a minority and knows they cannot win through sheer majority numbers so this is the strategy they have adopted. It is disgusting. It is unAmerican. And it is no better than terrorism.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the fault of those who are engaged in intentional intimidation.
    but that assumes that people bearing guns are trying to intimidate those who are cowardly and afraid of armed citizens.

    I reject your suggestion that merely bearing arms is designed to intimidate honest people.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but that assumes that people bearing guns are trying to intimidate those who are cowardly and afraid of armed citizens.

    I reject your suggestion that merely bearing arms is designed to intimidate honest people.
    one of your own already admitted it just yesterday. from your ally Crimefree agreeing that intimidation of government and citizens is the goal

    I have not one smidgen of doubt lying, duplicitous, excuses for human beings are so scared out of their wits they are willing to endanger the public's safety and usurp their rights so if the public should find out about their underhand and corrupt dealings they cannot become angry and take it out on them. Politicians not worthy of employment have been doing this for years in order to ensure and usurp power making sure government holds the monopoly of power.

    I think Thomas Jones Whitehall diaries presents the fear of these cowards as they mislead citizens with lies and endangerment of life without so much as pausing for breath.

    Politicians for once facing armed citizens in public discourse my actually tell the truth. I would love to see them quaking at every answer. The world would be a better place. All governments should fear its citizens as it is citizens task to chastise or correct them when they do wrong.
    So that little bit of right wing ugliness has been exposed for all to see.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no constitutional right to openly carry and intimidate your fellow Americans. I fully realize that your side knows they are a minority and knows they cannot win through sheer majority numbers so this is the strategy they have adopted. It is disgusting. It is unAmerican. And it is no better than terrorism.
    so if a coward complains that "I am intimidated" that is enough to limit the right of a person to keep and BEAR arms?

    real intimidation is dishonest scumbag politicians trying to rape our constitutional rights in order to either pander to cowards, hand wringing ninnies who want SOMETHING TO BE DONE about crime, or worst of all, those who want to punish gun owners for not being far left socialists



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    one of your own already admitted it just yesterday.
    I am an individual, I am not responsible for someone else's views.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no constitutional right to openly carry and intimidate your fellow Americans. I fully realize that your side knows they are a minority and knows they cannot win through sheer majority numbers so this is the strategy they have adopted. It is disgusting. It is unAmerican. And it is no better than terrorism.


    Those wanting to SSM are a tiny minority too... shall we trample their rights because they are not a majority?

    Most say no.


    I seem to recall this Constitution thingy that was supposed to protect the minority FROM the tyranny of the majority that the Founders rightly feared.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess we simply see things very differently. I do not want to live in a society where openly armed men can intimidate others by their mere appearance. If we go to the kind of gun centric society that some on the right seem to advocate, it would have a very chilling effect on the exercise of other freedoms like speech in civic participation.

    I do not want to feel a citizen cannot openly express their honest opinion just because Rambo in the same room is scowling at them armed to the teeth.

    Voter intimidation is a crime.

    Open carry, where legal, is not.

    If you find open carry intimidating in and of itself... well, either move where it isn't legal or deal with it.



    I find teenage drivers and transfer trucks intimidating... but they're just facts of life on the road that must be dealt with.





    Open carry doesn't faze me. It just means I know (some of) who is armed.

    I stopped at a tire shop today to get new tires; little country place. I walk in and two guys are standing there with pistols in their hands, pointed at the floor, talking about something. I knew one of them was the owner, didn't recognize the other guy, but there was obviously nothing going on, so I didn't bat an eye. Soon as I walked in the first question out of the owner's mouth wasn't did I want something, it was "Hey, you know much about automatic pistols?"

    Well I smiled and pulled up a stool and proceeded to unveil my expertise... turns out the owner wasn't happy with his new pistol, I gave him some pointers and suggested some other handguns that might suit him better... and ended up getting a small discount on my tires.


    All a matter of perspective...

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if a coward complains that "I am intimidated" that is enough to limit the right of a person to keep and BEAR arms?

    real intimidation is dishonest scumbag politicians trying to rape our constitutional rights in order to either pander to cowards, hand wringing ninnies who want SOMETHING TO BE DONE about crime, or worst of all, those who want to punish gun owners for not being far left socialists
    I have no idea where all this hyperbolic and intentionally insulting name calling is coming from. It certainly serves no advancement of proper discourse.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am an individual, I am not responsible for someone else's views.
    This is about the radical right wing and their agenda. And that cat is already well out of the bag as everyone can well see.
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