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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    38 79.17%
  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's really stupid. I am a pretty good steel shooter, I see hard core shooters vying for 20 dollar prizes bobble reloads all the time. do you want to have to reload while someone is shooting at you or you have been wounded?

    why do you even entertain the validity of such a moronic law

    I want that asshole Cuomo's guards to be limited to 7 shots
    Slow down Kimosabe, it was a suggestion to see just how far the advocates of magazine restrictions want to go. It might help in your arguments...
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not asking you to discuss the dishonesty of the FDR administration. I want you to tell me if you believe that action by FDR was proper and constitutional.

    of course no one is going to ban all weapons. but the left is doing what it can to get rid of pro gun groups who contribute a lot of money to the GOP. a complete gun ban is not needed to kill sport shooting and hunting and self defensive gun use

    what are you saying by you don't think there are any safety issues with magazine limits

    are you saying that public safety is not advanced with such limits or potential crime victims' safety is not decreased with magazine limits.

    the first position is sound, the second position is uber-moronic
    Pro gun groups contribute to both parties. You should no that.

    In a very narrow way, public safety is improved, or likely improved by having to mass killer have to reload sooner. But it's a very narrow group that it would affect. It doesn't worry me at all to be limited if there was a change of decreasing the kill power of these guys. And I do not believe my safety is at all affected.

    Im not not sure what you want from concerning FDR. Didn't his efforts hold up? And didn't it help with the gun violence of the 30's?

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually you got destroyed. I showed several shooting cases where more than 7 rounds were needed

    you conceded there is absolutely no deleterious impact in citizens having 15 or 20 shot magazines and given no downside, it only makes sense to have more rounds than needed to solve a problem then less

    your recollection of what happened is dishonest or faulty

    if there is no downside to me doing something and there is even a very slight chance of a benefit in me doing something, common sense dictates doing that thing is the smart choice
    No, go, you showed used, not needed. I showed you were people tend to empty whatever they have, but that's not need.

    For or most, see my answer above, there is no real effect. There's also no real harm.

    And nd no, my recollection is fine. And you guys throw around the word dishonesty too much. I've come to believe it's a tactic to avoid actual discourse.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually you got destroyed. I showed several shooting cases where more than 7 rounds were needed

    you conceded there is absolutely no deleterious impact in citizens having 15 or 20 shot magazines and given no downside, it only makes sense to have more rounds than needed to solve a problem then less

    your recollection of what happened is dishonest or faulty

    if there is no downside to me doing something and there is even a very slight chance of a benefit in me doing something, common sense dictates doing that thing is the smart choice
    well if the USSC had not opened its big mouth and applied the bill of right to states....we would not bee[buzz] having this problem

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Slow down Kimosabe, it was a suggestion to see just how far the advocates of magazine restrictions want to go. It might help in your arguments...
    nope it doesn't. I am aware of this argument-its stupid. if a killer actually could not find normal capacity magazines (a normal capacity magazine is the magazine normally issued with the weapon-for example 17 rounds for a Glock 17, 30 rounds for an AR 15) for his weapon, the normal response is a New York Reload






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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well if the USSC had not opened its big mouth and applied the bill of right to states....we would have bee having this problem
    that's a good point

    on the federal level we have this

    1) NO delegation of authority to the Federal government to regulate small arms

    2) AND a direct and pretty adamant prohibition on such activity

    versus state power

    where we have

    1) the tenth amendment

    2) 200+years on restrictions based on place and use

    3) limited only by the state constitution in question

    Now with McDonald and the application of the 14th amendment (and while I note that the 2A was not intended to limit state action, once the courts incorporated other BoR provisions the 2A had to be included, we have a direct conflict between power the states obviously once had vs the 2A

    If FDR had not screwed things up, this never would have happened



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope it doesn't. I am aware of this argument-its stupid. if a killer actually could not find normal capacity magazines (a normal capacity magazine is the magazine normally issued with the weapon-for example 17 rounds for a Glock 17, 30 rounds for an AR 15) for his weapon, the normal response is a New York Reload



    In most instances here, you're not debating a rational person, so you have to lead them to the water...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    In most instances here, you're not debating a rational person, so you have to lead them to the water...
    anyone who supports magazine limits is not rational



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone who supports magazine limits is not rational
    Glad you understand...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone who supports magazine limits is not rational
    I would support "magazine limits" only if the limits were in place to prevent the manufacture of unsafe (as in, likely to kill the operator) equipment.

    More along the lines of quality assurance than anything.

    Of course, potential lawsuits prevent such things already, I would think.
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