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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let us suppose for a minute that a middle class American couple with two kids aged 4 and 7 are having dinner at some local restaurant ---- Burger King.... Taco Bell... the local coney island ---- something along those lines. And in walks three men in camo armed with pistols in holsters on their hip and some sort of long gun strapped to their back. They are NOT police nor are they military.

    Are you going to claim that the family should not be concerned about this?
    Correct. Are they ordering at the counter? Hell, I'd assume there was a convoy outside dumping out our military for lunch (I'm not that up on uniforms. I'd figure military or hunters taking themselves too seriously).

    If there was something worrisome about their demeanor, that would be a different story however I wouldnt need to see a firearm to be alarmed (and am often) by how people act in public.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Correct. Are they ordering at the counter? Hell, I'd assume there was a convoy outside dumping out our military for lunch (I'm not that up on uniforms. I'd figure military or hunters taking themselves too seriously).

    If there was something worrisome about their demeanor, that would be a different story however I wouldnt need to see a firearm to be alarmed (and am often) by how people act in public.
    I guess we simply see things very differently. I do not want to live in a society where openly armed men can intimidate others by their mere appearance. If we go to the kind of gun centric society that some on the right seem to advocate, it would have a very chilling effect on the exercise of other freedoms like speech in civic participation.

    I do not want to feel a citizen cannot openly express their honest opinion just because Rambo in the same room is scowling at them armed to the teeth.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess we simply see things very differently. I do not want to live in a society where openly armed men can intimidate others by their mere appearance. If we go to the kind of gun centric society that some on the right seem to advocate, it would have a very chilling effect on the exercise of other freedoms like speech in civic participation.

    I do not want to feel a citizen cannot openly express their honest opinion just because Rambo in the same room is scowling at them armed to the teeth.
    I would not want to be a person intimidated by someone carrying a gun.

    In many states, including my own, anyone over 21 (that can legally own a gun) can carry it openly. Dont see it too often. It doesnt serve a purpose to do so, so generally people dont.

    (See, this is what I mean by baseless and unfounded concerns. Not one person has posted an incident where a law abiding citizen has used their gun (legally) or had an accident in public and harmed anyone else. Again...baseless to fear if you cant even find examples. Are there some? Maybe...havent seen them so probably not many)

    It's funny you feel safer just because 'you cant see the guns.'

    Here's a question: If it's legal to open carry in so many states....why dont we commonly see what you described in our fast food establishments, etc?
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    1) No. You're trying to set up all or nothing, anything short of nothing is increments. I don't buy that. As we've had from the beginning, some restrictions are reasonable. And that's all it is. Nothing more.

    2) I have no reason to accept those sources as the gospel. However, the fact remains today no one other than outliers are thinking that way.
    more passive aggressive nonsense from a gun banner. where you fail is that whether restrictions are reasonable or not turns on two factors

    a) whose definition of reasonable

    b) and the thing the gun haters always ignore-does the government unit have the necessary authority to impose "reasonable restrictions"

    an honest answer as to the federal government is NO.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not at all off topic but I wanted an answer so that I could have an idea of your familiarity with firearms before explaining. Makes a difference in level of detail.


    I dont remember the exact quote however I can give plenty of acceptable, rational reasons why the high cap magazines should not be regulated, or ammo, or some of the other things mentioned whenever the argument comes up, 'well they dont need all that stuff. They still can have a gun.'
    Boo spent hours saying that idiotic magazine restrictions were "reasonable" based on his claim that the chances of a citizen needing more than 7 rounds is small. He spent hundreds of posts trying to defend that idiocy by claiming that while you might need more than 7 rounds, it is very rare. He lost the argument when he conceded that he could not argue that there was any HARM in a citizen having more rounds. In other words, argument for the sake of argument rather than a reasonable claim of a trade off.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess we simply see things very differently. I do not want to live in a society where openly armed men can intimidate others by their mere appearance. If we go to the kind of gun centric society that some on the right seem to advocate, it would have a very chilling effect on the exercise of other freedoms like speech in civic participation.

    I do not want to feel a citizen cannot openly express their honest opinion just because Rambo in the same room is scowling at them armed to the teeth.
    if you are intimidated whose fault is that.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess we simply see things very differently. I do not want to live in a society where openly armed men can intimidate others by their mere appearance. If we go to the kind of gun centric society that some on the right seem to advocate, it would have a very chilling effect on the exercise of other freedoms like speech in civic participation.

    I do not want to feel a citizen cannot openly express their honest opinion just because Rambo in the same room is scowling at them armed to the teeth.
    The fact that you feel intimidated when you see your fellow Americans bearing arms doesn't negate their constitutional right to do so.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Your question is too simple.

    Why are they afraid? Why are they NOT afraid?

    Someone could be stupid enough to go unarmed into a situation wherein they will die without defense of some sort, because they weren't afraid enough.

    Conversely, someone could be unreasonably afraid of something which does not actually pose a threat, and thus arm themselves to the teeth for a shopping trip to the local Wal-Mart (not sure they'd be allowed in though...)

    It really depends on who, what, where, when, and why.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The fact that you feel intimidated when you see your fellow Americans bearing arms doesn't negate their constitutional right to do so.
    I suppose people freely bearing arms could intimidate someone who is afraid of guns. Just like a guy walking around a reptile show with a python around his shoulders might intimidate someone who has an abnormal fear of snakes. The problem is not with the gun owner or the snake handler but of the coward who is fearful



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    I would say a certain degree of fear is appropriate when you encounter a gun - if you don't know how to use/carry one safely, even a gun abandoned on the ground poses a small degree of danger - you might accidentally shoot yourself.

    Thankfully we have a plethora of movies to teach us about....wait nevermind.
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