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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it is quite logical to establish a common sense line based on what the government considers suitable for civilian employees of a civilian agency to use in a civilian environment for self defense against the same criminals who prey on other civilians. It also is based on an estoppel argument
    While it may be a agency over civilians, police officers are NOT civilians and you have been provided with countless definitions which specifically state that. But lets get beyond that and look at your claim of a logical connection in your belief.

    In point of fact it is not logical. Police have the tools they do because they do a specific job. You and I DO NOT do that job.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Your imagination runs away from you a lot. For some reason, you are an all or nothing guy. There are degrees. Restrictions, checks and registrations are not bans.

    I told you before, the world has choices beyond just 0 and 1.
    Just the other day in a gun thread somebody on that side make the remark that there is no middle ground on the gun issue. Such thinking is indicative of an extremist who sees it just as you described.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just the other day in a gun thread somebody on that side make the remark that there is no middle ground on the gun issue. Such thinking is indicative of an extremist who sees it just as you described.
    Sadly true. The extremism displayed is to me an indication of obsessive compulsions and paranoid delusions.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    When the time comes you really need a gun nothing else will do. The same goes for insurance. Damn near everyone has insurance. Everyone hopes they'll never need it.

    When your safety has been violated, when you have been harmed, when you are threatened with extreme violence the first person you call for support and protection has a gun.
    Y'know, you might have a point...if there weren't so many nations where guns are not nearly so plentiful as they are here in America, where the homicide rates are MUCH lower than it is here.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Not a very thoughtful question, I'm sorry to say. The decision to carry a weapon is a situational consideration. For most of my life I have not carried a weapon. On some occasions I chose to be armed, a couple of times very heavily. During a couple of tours of duty I had a 12 gauge shotgun within reach at my bed each night. Etc., etc. A firearm is a tool. If it suits the work at hand then you should have one.
    Actually, you're right - it was not a thoughtful question, and that was my mistake. You're not the first to point that out in so many words...but it's time I owned up to it.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Sadly true. The extremism displayed is to me an indication of obsessive compulsions and paranoid delusions.
    I would agree. Its really those things and a form of willful dissociative disorder resulting in living in an alternate reality other then the USA the vast majority live in.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The issue is that FEAR is widespread enough to be a strong motivator on all sides of this issue.
    Oh, so now you want to come back to the OP. As I said, the only fear I have is to not be ready to defend my family. I abate that fear by staying armed and in good health.
    Anyone doing anything short of that is no kind of father or husband.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think there are millions of Caspy Faintheart's out there that only feel secure if they're packing. They need a shrink to adjust their self esteem issues and instead buy a gun. I don't think the therapy works. Same thing goes for cops. Take away their guns and give them the English style billy clubs. There is mace, stun guns, pepper spray, and innocents are being shot by cops everyday. The culture has gone bad. Too militarized.
    I strongly agree - and I believe the reason why the cops are becoming more violent is because they can't make an arrest without assuming that the perp is packing. That kind of stress and fear can - will - affect not only their individual psychology but also their organizational mentality.

    It's sad that I can walk down the street in a Manila slum and feel safer than if I walk down the street in Seattle or Memphis.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would agree. Its really those things and a form of willful dissociative disorder resulting in living in an alternate reality other then the USA the vast majority live in.
    i see, so those who do not share your vision, the reality you project, have mental disorder.

    this is a way of calling people "nuts", who do don't share your passion for federal intervention into the 2nd amendment.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) tell that to people in DC, NY, CT. its a lie. lots of guns have been banned including all automatics made after may 19, 1986. I don't buy that lie and it is a lie

    2) dems adopted gun control to stave off attacks by people like nixon who claimed dems failed to stem the tide of mostly black street crime in the 1960s. Gun control was based on false motives and now has morphed into attacking pro gun rights groups because they told the truth on what the Dems were doing If car alarm lobbyists mainly supported the GOP, I suspect the Dems would target them too
    1) If they are intelligent, they know all guns have not been banned. Your only quibbling over regulations, not complete banning.

    2) That's just nonsense. Paranoid nonsense.

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