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Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

Who is more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun, or the one who doesn't?

  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 28 77.8%

  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Total voters
    36
haymarket said:
So first we get some here saying that people have no real right to their own fears and now we have you telling parents what they should teach their kids about guns. Wonderful.

ANy other control you want to have over people and their lives?
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You can teach your kids anything you want. You want to do that, you do them a great disservice, even harm. And you can indulge your own unfounded fears all you want....just dont attempt to force them on others.

You ignored most of the actual supporting content in the post, just cherry-picked. :roll:

Lursa said:
I guess parents should teach their kids not to be afraid of guns. As should school boards and the media in general. Those kids arent 'naturally' afraid of guns the way some people are afraid of heights. They were TAUGHT to perceive them in a certain way, much the way you seem to.

Again...you blame the wrong people. And no harm was done, be real. Was all society brain damaged back in the days of the frontier when guns were carried openly, on wagons, on belts, on saddles? No....guns are tools and teaching kids otherwise is **doing them harm**. Dangerous tools to be respected? Yes, just like cars. Are kids terrified of cars? No? Why not? Thousands more of them die every year IN them and run over BY them than shot by guns.
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Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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Not enough information to answer.

Everyones motivation for having a gun may be different. Fear may be driving it, but isn't the only thing. Similarly, fear may drive the reason why someone doesn't want a gun for self-defense. Such as fear that they'll use it against an innocent person by mistake, or fear that they'll misfire it, or fear of having it in the home, etc.

In terms of your OBVIOUS attempted point....boiling down either sides veiws regarding gun control as "fear" based is rather ridiculous.
 
haymarket said:
Gimme a break already. Life is about choices and I guess somebody who wants top carry will have to decide between the tube top and dazy dukes and carrying with a CCW.
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And you claim I was trying to control people's lives???? Telling other people what *choices* to make with their wardrobe and comfort and safety? Not too dismissive :roll:

You need to take a good long hard look in a mirror. You are way into the land of denial.
 
iliveonramen said:
There's no doubt I keep a gun in my house because I'm afraid a disturbed person will break in with a gun themselves.

If the US severely restricted gun ownership I wouldn't feel the need to own one.
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And it is purely because the US does NOT severely restrict gun ownership that would reassure me that I would not necessarily need to own one. We do of course--a hunting rifle that never gets hunted with--but I don't think about it as necessary for self defense because just about everybody we know has some sort of firearm. And I believe most of the 'bad guys' out there know that. I think we would be at much higher risk if the 'bad guys' thought the odds were in their favor that they wouldn't encounter a gun when they choose to do bad acts.
 
haymarket said:
Terrific. And a fear of crime .... and for some a fear of the government .... and for some of fear of The Other are all fears which play into gun ownership at the levels we see in the USA today.
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Thomas Jefferson — 'When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.'
 
ernst barkmann said:
Thomas Jefferson — 'When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.'
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Bully for TJ. Did he mean those snappy words or just more TJ lies like the Declaration? ?
 
haymarket said:
Bully for TJ. Did he mean those snappy words or just more TJ lies like the Declaration? ?
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Bully?...sounds like TR too me.....a progressive who thought he was king while president.

you know just admitting you hate the founders and our founding documents, would go a long way in shining..your true feelings of america.
 
haymarket said:
Terrific. And a fear of crime .... and for some a fear of the government .... and for some of fear of The Other are all fears which play into gun ownership at the levels we see in the USA today.
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but their supposed fear isn't restricting YOUR rights or the RIGHTS of anyone else

the fear of the gun tremblers threatens our RIGHTS
 
Kal'Stang said:
Does it matter in any way shape or form? Of course not. If you live in the back 40 you're more than likely not going to buy a gun simply because you're afraid. However if you live in the worst part of Chicago...yeah...you're more than likely going to buy a gun because you're scared ****less because of all the gang violence. I would bet dollar to donuts that if you lived in such a neighborhood and couldn't afford to move you'd be wanting to have a gun also.

Point is that buying a gun because you're afraid is a valid reason to buy a gun for self defense. That's why even states/cities that have "may issue" laws will give a gun license to those that have a valid reason to be fearful of thier lives. Such as living in a high gang population area. Hell....even NYC...one of the most god aweful gun rights cities there is in the US has that exception.

Being fearful of ones life and trying to protect yourself from the thing that you are fearful of is not only a Right...but it is also a natural human reaction to any situation where there is danger. As such the question posed is obviously posed for one and only one purpose....to portray those that own guns as paranoid freaks that are too mentally unbalanced to own a gun. At least that is how the question comes across to me. I'm sure such will be denied of course. Par for the course. :shrug:
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As I admitted to Jack Hays when he pointed it out, mine was a poorly-written question. I should have thought more deeply about how to present the question, perhaps with more options too.

But I would point out one thing about your comment - NYC's actually one of the safest major cities in the nation (feel free to Google the stats). It's got about half the homicide rate of the state of Louisiana, and certainly has a lower homicide rate than Atlanta, St. Louis, and especially New Orleans.
 
Muhammed said:
The one who are afraid of people simply because they possess guns.
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Y'know, people who are afraid of other people who have guns, generally have guns themselves. But most people really don't care to have guns anymore:

The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.

The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions.

The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews.

The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.

That's not fear of people having guns - that's just people deciding that they don't need guns.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not enough information to answer.

Everyones motivation for having a gun may be different. Fear may be driving it, but isn't the only thing. Similarly, fear may drive the reason why someone doesn't want a gun for self-defense. Such as fear that they'll use it against an innocent person by mistake, or fear that they'll misfire it, or fear of having it in the home, etc.

In terms of your OBVIOUS attempted point....boiling down either sides veiws regarding gun control as "fear" based is rather ridiculous.
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As I've admitted to a couple of the others here, mine was a poorly-worded question. I'll do better in the future.
 
Lursa said:
You can teach your kids anything you want. You want to do that, you do them a great disservice, even harm. And you can indulge your own unfounded fears all you want....just dont attempt to force them on others.

You ignored most of the actual supporting content in the post, just cherry-picked. :roll:
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You are really really sensitive to people replying to every point you try to make. Okay - as to your point about frontier kids ----- perhaps they were damaged by open weapons- after all we virtually wiped out a race of people, stole their land with the same gun you say did no real harm. And America still has the high rate of guns and crime so its legacy lives on.
 
Lursa said:
And you claim I was trying to control people's lives???? Telling other people what *choices* to make with their wardrobe and comfort and safety? Not too dismissive :roll:

You need to take a good long hard look in a mirror. You are way into the land of denial.
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You need to realize something --- I make no bones about the ability of the people to decide the type of country and the quality of society they want to live in and accept and support the idea of majority rule as long as basic rights are respected. I DO NOT wave the phony flag of LIBERTY or put the bright red lipstick of FREEDOM on myself like so many on the right do and then violate their own so called principles.
 
ernst barkmann said:
Bully?...sounds like TR too me.....a progressive who thought he was king while president.

you know just admitting you hate the founders and our founding documents, would go a long way in shining..your true feelings of america.
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I have never made any bones of the reality that the Dec lied about many things. I have never said otherwise. Loving this nation means you can accept the reality of its lies and still love the American people in spite of them.
 
TurtleDude said:
but their supposed fear isn't restricting YOUR rights or the RIGHTS of anyone else

the fear of the gun tremblers threatens our RIGHTS
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Not at all. Perhaps some extremists may feel violated but only because they are falsely claiming rights that they do not have in the first place so again the self imposed delusion is only in their own mind and more of a dissociative disorder than any violation of actual rights.
 
There are those who fear guns....there are those who fear not having a gun.....and there are those who don't fit in either category.
 
haymarket said:
Not at all. Perhaps some extremists may feel violated but only because they are falsely claiming rights that they do not have in the first place so again the self imposed delusion is only in their own mind and more of a dissociative disorder than any violation of actual rights.
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so if the government says open carry is permitted, people don't have that right

we all know that the federal government does not have the power to tell people how they can carry or display arms except in limited circumstances (like federal courthouses) so it is a state issue and if a state's constitution allows open carry then they DO HAVE THAT RIGHT whether you LIKE IT OR NOT.

the false delusion is the in minds of the gun tremblers who claim they have a right not to be upset
 
haymarket said:
Nor do your fears causing you or others to have weapons - even lots of weapons - have anything to do with my rights.
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What right?

But since we are NOT talking about any freedom or right you have. So your post is irrelevant to my comment.
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The right to bear arms.
 
the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is not a power for the government, it is a restriction on the federal government, there is no power in the 2nd for the federal government to act on to regulate
 
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