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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Seems pretty obvious that the one needing a gun is the one who is afraid. However, I am sure the gunners will find a way to twist this to mean that those who don't need guns are the ones who are really afraid.
    On one level it is part of this entire "I am more of a manly man that you are" nonsense. Just yesterday in a gun thread it was alleged that men who did not own guns were "timid men" and had obvious "inadequacies".

    I know the gun community hates it when they are good naturedly teased bout penis metaphors and their guns but you cannot help but think about it when you read comments like that.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm well aware of when the Bill of Rights was finally ratified. What does that have to do with the fact nothing in there says anything about God? And what does that have to do with the Declaration of Independence, that you mentioned and had no bearing on this conversation at all?

    If that wasn't a concession, then it should have been, as it's been made perfectly clear you were in the wrong. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are not "God given rights", as you tried to claim. There is nothing about God in the Constitution. You were wrong.
    So you don't see the relationship between the Declaration and the Constitution?

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you can think of no rational reason why normal people would have a fear of guns?
    Nope. None.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Nope. None.
    So the fact that guns are the main weapon of choice in thousands upon thousands of deaths and injuries each year in this country has not a damn thing to do with peoples fear?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vio..._United_States

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

    Got it loud and clear. The fact that you will not even acknowledge that people have a reason to fear guns because of that is very very revealing and tells me all I need to know about the honesty with which you approach this topic.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So you don't see the relationship between the Declaration and the Constitution?
    There was none as the first document was extremely limited in its scope and purpose and was pretty much forgotten on the shelf when the Constitution was written.

    read this to learn more

    http://www.amazon.com/American-Scrip.../dp/0679779086
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So the fact that guns are the main weapon of choice in thousands upon thousands of deaths and injuries each year in this country has not a damn thing to do with peoples fear?

    Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    FASTSTATS - Homicide

    Got it loud and clear. The fact that you will not even acknowledge that people have a reason to fear guns because of that is very very revealing and tells me all I need to know about the honesty with which you approach this topic.
    Fearing an inanimate object is not reasonable. More die in cars, or with ball bats than guns. You know anyone scared of ball bats?

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is a common sense issue - not a partisan one. It involves what type of society we want to live in as Americans - not as partisan Democrats or Republicans.
    sadly nothing proposed by the Democrat party on guns is based on common sense as to crime control. what motivates the Dem party is one or both of two things

    1) to pander to people who WANT SOMETHING TO BE DONE every time someone engages in a Kamikaze attack

    2) to try to destroy or several limit the ability of the NRA and other gun groups to funnel large amounts of cash and voter support to mainly GOP candidates.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Fearing an inanimate object is not reasonable. More die in cars, or with ball bats than guns. You know anyone scared of ball bats?
    I would speculate that if baseball bats were the number one weapon of choice in murders each year that yes indeed people would fear them. What right do you have to pass judgment upon what people fear and what they should not fear? The fact that you take this tact tells me volumes about your ostrich like head-in-the-sand denial of basic reality on this issue.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly nothing proposed by the Democrat party on guns is based on common sense as to crime control.
    Others would disagree and many prominent republicans including Ronal Reagan differed with you.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Others would disagree and many prominent republicans including Ronal Reagan differed with you.
    Oh Reagan was pandering to the "we have to do something bit" after he left office.



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