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  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I wonder why recently people fear the gubbermint? Don't they know of the checks and balances it would take to pass constitutional amendments or to change wording in that? Seems people are acting out of not knowing and desperation over what people talk about on MSM and talk radio, seems they're being fed bad pablum.
    I strongly suspect it has to do with history and the role government plays in our nation. During the Gilded Age government power was firmly and deeply on the side of business, corporations and the wealthy and you rarely saw anything about the big bad government. Then in the Progressive era starting at the turn of the century, government became more of an impartial referee in some areas and the wealthy did not like that. Then many saw the New Deal as putting government far too often on the side of the average person and that seemed to be the straw that broke the camel back of the far right.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Link to that absurd accusation.
    I will teach you how to find out what you need to know. Just do a search here using this term

    HOPLOPHOBIA - it means a fear of guns. Put in the name of any prominent gun poster with it if you want to get more specific.

    Then a veritable myriad ... or plethora if you prefer ... or even a cornucopia .... will appear before your eyes and you can read all the gun advocates here insult people who they perceive as their enemies with that charge.

    here is one even titled FEAR OF GUNS

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...fear-guns.html

    this will also assist you in furthering your research

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

    this is a video from NRA News

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXv_uBxepfk

    all confirm what I said in my post.
    Last edited by haymarket; 05-12-14 at 10:33 AM.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I will teach you how to find out what you need to know. Just do a search here using this term

    HOPLOPHOBIA - it means a fear of guns. Put in the name of any prominent gun poster with it if you want to get more specific.

    Then a veritable myriad ... or plethora if you prefer ... or even a cornucopia .... will appear before your eyes and you can read all the gun advocates here insult people who they perceive as their enemies with that charge.

    here is one even titled FEAR OF GUNS

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...fear-guns.html

    this will also assist you in furthering your research

    Hoplophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    this is a video from NRA News

    Natalie Foster for NRA News: "Fear of Guns" - YouTube

    all confirm what I said in my post.
    Those are not the context you used. The way you wrote it sounded like gun owners are in some fear. Not true at all. Sure we don't want to lose our rights.
    But we don't fear anything like people who are antigun are usually in fear of the gun itself.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No, did I say that?
    Umm, yes, kind of...after all, it's the entire point of the discussion we're having. Seriously, why don't you take the time to figure out what you're talking about and then once you understand, get back to me.
    I take it this is your concession that you were wrong?

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Umm, yes, kind of...after all, it's the entire point of the discussion we're having. Seriously, why don't you take the time to figure out what you're talking about and then once you understand, get back to me.

    I take it this is your concession that you were wrong?
    Finally ratified in 1791. Unless you really want to say the bulk of it was ratified in 1788. But there is no concession to you on this issue.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Those are not the context you used. The way you wrote it sounded like gun owners are in some fear. Not true at all. Sure we don't want to lose our rights.
    But we don't fear anything like people who are antigun are usually in fear of the gun itself.
    I provided what you asked for. What you do with it is immaterial to me. You were given what you questioned.

    Regarding those people who you claim are "usually in fear of the gun itself".... since you seem to have some opinions about this, what do you think would cause fear of guns in normal rational people?
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I provided what you asked for. What you do with it is immaterial to me. You were given what you questioned.

    Regarding those people who you claim are "usually in fear of the gun itself".... since you seem to have some opinions about this, what do you think would cause fear of guns in normal rational people?
    There is no normal rational fear of guns. People that fear guns had some defect in their up bringing.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Finally ratified in 1791. Unless you really want to say the bulk of it was ratified in 1788. But there is no concession to you on this issue.
    I'm well aware of when the Bill of Rights was finally ratified. What does that have to do with the fact nothing in there says anything about God? And what does that have to do with the Declaration of Independence, that you mentioned and had no bearing on this conversation at all?

    If that wasn't a concession, then it should have been, as it's been made perfectly clear you were in the wrong. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are not "God given rights", as you tried to claim. There is nothing about God in the Constitution. You were wrong.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

    On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

    So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
    Seems pretty obvious that the one needing a gun is the one who is afraid. However, I am sure the gunners will find a way to twist this to mean that those who don't need guns are the ones who are really afraid.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    There is no normal rational fear of guns. People that fear guns had some defect in their up bringing.
    So you can think of no rational reason why normal people would have a fear of guns?
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