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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I congratulate you on doing a very good job at describing the vast majority of gun owners. I agree with it.

    Having said that, it is still true that the gun industry survives appealing to a fear of crime. Fear is part and parcel of the entire gun culture and is the reason for many purchases. It also seems to be the motivation behind many on the far right who have a severe fear and paranoia about government.
    For some, it's the fear of Obama coming to git their guns, the reasoning for buying even more guns and ammunition, people fear our gubbermint is going to come and take away their constitutional right to own guns, yes, fear is a powerful tool, when it's used, people flock like sheep. Gun dealers have nobody to thank but Obama for the upward spike in gun & ammunition sales.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    For some, it's the fear of Obama coming to git their guns, the reasoning for buying even more guns and ammunition, people fear our gubbermint is going to come and take away their constitutional right to own guns, yes, fear is a powerful tool, when it's used, people flock like sheep. Gun dealers have nobody to thank but Obama for the upward spike in gun & ammunition sales.
    Yes, that is 100% true. Which is why it is so amazing when people on the gun lobby side attempt to insult people who disagree with them calling them things like "fear driven" or accusing them of being emotional rather than factual when the emotions of gun supporters and in fact the entire industry is significantly driven by their own fears and emotions. They are guilty of the very thing they accuse their enemies of.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    The question of what one is afraid of appears too vague.
    IF I am afraid and have a gun it would only be because I am "in fear of my life" from an adversary with criminal intent not the government.
    IF I did not have a gun I would be more afraid of my government taking not just my right to self-defense but other rights and or property at it's whim !
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, that is 100% true. Which is why it is so amazing when people on the gun lobby side attempt to insult people who disagree with them calling them things like "fear driven" or accusing them of being emotional rather than factual when the emotions of gun supporters and in fact the entire industry is significantly driven by their own fears and emotions. They are guilty of the very thing they accuse their enemies of.
    I wonder why recently people fear the gubbermint? Don't they know of the checks and balances it would take to pass constitutional amendments or to change wording in that? Seems people are acting out of not knowing and desperation over what people talk about on MSM and talk radio, seems they're being fed bad pablum.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I wonder why recently people fear the gubbermint? Don't they know of the checks and balances it would take to pass constitutional amendments or to change wording in that? Seems people are acting out of not knowing and desperation over what people talk about on MSM and talk radio, seems they're being fed bad pablum.
    What do you mean by people "acting out"? Examples?

    I don't know how many--a few, some, many--citizens fear our government, but if they do, is it because they are credulous and believe everything they hear?

    I don't own a gun. But I am afraid of the increasing encroachment of the federal government into citizens' lives, and I am particularly afraid of federal agencies overstepping their bounds and playing politics, for example, the IRS. it has no right to ask questions such as "What do you pray?" If you aren't scared about that, you should be.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What do you mean by people "acting out"? Examples?

    I don't know how many--a few, some, many--citizens fear our government, but if they do, is it because they are credulous and believe everything they hear?

    I don't own a gun. But I am afraid of the increasing encroachment of the federal government into citizens' lives, and I am particularly afraid of federal agencies overstepping their bounds and playing politics, for example, the IRS. it has no right to ask questions such as "What do you pray?" If you aren't scared about that, you should be.
    Acting out; e.g., Obama is pro gun control, that is to say more rigorous background checks, more regulation of high capacity ammunition clips.
    Then, people hear this and think, oh, he's going to try to regulate the kinds of guns and ammunition we buy now, darn, we's better go out and purchase all we can, while we can, acting out of fear of the unknown, or acting out of fear because somebody said the gubbermint is going to take our guns, and take away our rights to own guns.

    I fear no evil.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Circular argument. Try again.

    No, I mean exactly what I said.

    You weren't. There is nothing in the Constitution which makes any reference to God or a creator. You failed.
    Says the person who can't follow a conversation.

    I notice you didn't apologize to Crue Cab for calling him a statist. He'd probably like that.

    But we're not talking about "weapons", we're talking about "guns". Seriously, just once I'd like for you to stay on topic.
    No? I'm just possessing of common sense?

    I'm just against saying they are God given rights. Are you saying vaccines are a God given right? Or are you just another person who was unable to follow the concept of the conversation?

    We're not talking about that, we're talking about whether it is a God given right. Seriously, why is it so hard for people to follow the conversation?

    So? That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're saying. God also created our minds to invent money, does that mean your money is my God given right to have?

    It's like some people completely lose sight of all logic when it comes to firearms, or in this case, an ability to remember the discussion.
    Which is not the Constitution. You said:

    The Declaration was not ratified in 1791, the Bill of Rights was. Furthermore, the Declaration has absolutely nothing to do with our government either.

    Are you finally ready to admit you were wrong yet? It seems like we do this quite often...you say something silly and false, I correct you, you try to squirm out of it, I catch you and you never apologize for being wrong. How about we try something different this time and you apologize for being wrong?

    By the way, I noticed where Lutherf called you a "statist". You might consider having a word with him about that.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I wonder why recently people fear the gubbermint? Don't they know of the checks and balances it would take to pass constitutional amendments or to change wording in that? Seems people are acting out of not knowing and desperation over what people talk about on MSM and talk radio, seems they're being fed bad pablum.
    Guess you haven't heard about executive orders yet.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes, that is 100% true. Which is why it is so amazing when people on the gun lobby side attempt to insult people who disagree with them calling them things like "fear driven" or accusing them of being emotional rather than factual when the emotions of gun supporters and in fact the entire industry is significantly driven by their own fears and emotions. They are guilty of the very thing they accuse their enemies of.
    Link to that absurd accusation.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    so soooorry, can't read your post, try changing your user name or your attitude.

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