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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What horse ****. No facts, just emotional bias and opinion.
    Are you actually going to deny that what I said is not true? Gun sales are NOT motivated by fear of crime? C'mon Goshin - you have far too much smarts to even go down that road.

    And the paranoid fear of government drips from so many gun threads its like a constant theme.

    FEAR motivates the gun community bigtime.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you actually going to deny that what I said is not true? Gun sales are NOT motivated by fear of crime? C'mon Goshin - you have far too much smarts to even go down that road.

    And the paranoid fear of government drips from so many gun threads its like a constant theme.

    FEAR motivates the gun community bigtime.

    If you listen to a few (admittedly loud) voices of fear and paranoia I suppose it might seem that way.

    This "FEAR!!!1!" meme just alternately baffles or amuses me though. As I've said, I live in a shooting and hunting culture; I teach defensive shooting skills; and a LOT of the people I hang out with are CCWers, ex-cops, former military, etc.


    And I just don't see this "FEAR!!!1!" meme playing out in real life among most gun owners or even gun carriers.

    We get up and go to work like everyone else. Some of us get to carry while on the job; some can't due to company rules or etc. We may grumble about it but we go to work anyway and we don't spend the day quivering in fear and feeling inadequate because we're not properly armed.

    We're AWARE that anything can happen at any time, and we're ALERT, but we don't go around jumping at shadows every five seconds or attaching a lot of emotional content to our alertness. We don't feel fear every time some stranger approaches. We just live life and have that awareness running in the back of our minds, like a computer running an application in the background rather than on-screen.

    We go to each other's houses and barbecue and sit around on the back porch talking like normal people, and we don't jump up and go Rambo every time a squirrel farts in the next tree.


    Sometimes I feel like some of you view us as some sort of alien species or foreign invader and assign us sinister motives, or project your own fears onto us, or something of the sort. We're not; we're mostly just ordinary folks, and if you lived next door you might know us for years without ever knowing we carry, or ever suspecting we were one of the Sinister Gun People. (gasp!)


    Yes, we are jealously protective of our rights. We've seen how one incremental step leads to the next, so we're tired of compromising when all that gets us is another step towards laws that may make it harder for us to protect our families IF we need to.

    Yes, we're a little different in some ways. But most of the time, you could live next door to one of us (and probably do) and never know it or never think of us as some "weirdo nut"... unless we choose to talk about guns with you at some point.


    We're just people like any other people, mostly. We just have a different perspective on certain things. And believe it or not, most of us do NOT have lives that actually revolve around guns... the guns are just THERE, and to us as natural a part of life as a car or a cell phone.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
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    Please direct me to the place where it says the Bill of Rights are god given. I want the exact quote. In fact, show me any place in the actual Constitution which mentions God.

    I'll wait.
    Its in the Declaration of Independence.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    When you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
    It's "when all you have is a hammer...".

    I like that saying because I've built and remodeled houses. Sometimes, it actually is a nail, and a screwdriver just won't do.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its in the Declaration of Independence.
    Which means nothing since it was only a birth announcement of the nation and once it served its purpose was pretty much forgotten for years until it was resurrected for partisan political purposes.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you listen to a few (admittedly loud) voices of fear and paranoia I suppose it might seem that way.

    This "FEAR!!!1!" meme just alternately baffles or amuses me though. As I've said, I live in a shooting and hunting culture; I teach defensive shooting skills; and a LOT of the people I hang out with are CCWers, ex-cops, former military, etc.


    And I just don't see this "FEAR!!!1!" meme playing out in real life among most gun owners or even gun carriers.

    We get up and go to work like everyone else. Some of us get to carry while on the job; some can't due to company rules or etc. We may grumble about it but we go to work anyway and we don't spend the day quivering in fear and feeling inadequate because we're not properly armed.

    We're AWARE that anything can happen at any time, and we're ALERT, but we don't go around jumping at shadows every five seconds or attaching a lot of emotional content to our alertness. We don't feel fear every time some stranger approaches. We just live life and have that awareness running in the back of our minds, like a computer running an application in the background rather than on-screen.

    We go to each other's houses and barbecue and sit around on the back porch talking like normal people, and we don't jump up and go Rambo every time a squirrel farts in the next tree.


    Sometimes I feel like some of you view us as some sort of alien species or foreign invader and assign us sinister motives, or project your own fears onto us, or something of the sort. We're not; we're mostly just ordinary folks, and if you lived next door you might know us for years without ever knowing we carry, or ever suspecting we were one of the Sinister Gun People. (gasp!)


    Yes, we are jealously protective of our rights. We've seen how one incremental step leads to the next, so we're tired of compromising when all that gets us is another step towards laws that may make it harder for us to protect our families IF we need to.

    Yes, we're a little different in some ways. But most of the time, you could live next door to one of us (and probably do) and never know it or never think of us as some "weirdo nut"... unless we choose to talk about guns with you at some point.


    We're just people like any other people, mostly. We just have a different perspective on certain things. And believe it or not, most of us do NOT have lives that actually revolve around guns... the guns are just THERE, and to us as natural a part of life as a car or a cell phone.
    I congratulate you on doing a very good job at describing the vast majority of gun owners. I agree with it.

    Having said that, it is still true that the gun industry survives appealing to a fear of crime. Fear is part and parcel of the entire gun culture and is the reason for many purchases. It also seems to be the motivation behind many on the far right who have a severe fear and paranoia about government.
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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Correct. I live out in the sticks, and I've needed a firearm to deal with an animal-related issue far more often than a people-related issue, at home at least.


    Prime example:
    When my son was 9 he was attacked by a rabid fox. I booted it off of him and it took off running. I didn't want it to possibly come back or possibly attack a neighbor, so I drew my CCW pistol and shot it before it got away.
    Hey Goshin where you going with that gun in your hand
    I said Hey Goshin where you going with that gun in your hand?

    Gonna shoot me a fox-found it messing around with a little man
    going to to shoot me a fox, found it messing around with my little man

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I never said anything about restricting gun rights, I just said to be mindful and aware, but I'm used to people routinely ignoring what I say and just talking to their straw man.

    Also its not just callous its also extremely ignorant.
    What is the actual effect or 'action' to be made regarding 'being mindful and aware?" WHat's the point? What is the purpose? If not to examine, intrude, and restrict. I am however, always in favor of more education.

    And I'm not being ignorant, I'm being honest. I dont care about strangers who cant deal with life and leave others behind to suffer. I do care about our veterans. But aside from that, I only *care* personally about people I care personally about and expect the same from other people....the mentally ill, disturbed, the teens buried in angst...they are the responsibility...or not...of their family and friends..*and themselves.*

    And I totally support assisted suicide and euthanasia.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I congratulate you on doing a very good job at describing the vast majority of gun owners. I agree with it.

    Having said that, it is still true that the gun industry survives appealing to a fear of crime. Fear is part and parcel of the entire gun culture and is the reason for many purchases. It also seems to be the motivation behind many on the far right who have a severe fear and paranoia about government.
    maybe if the Democrat party wouldn't start yapping about gun bans every time some nut case engages in a kamikaze attack, the fear you complain about wouldn't exist. However, the Dem party clearly feels a need to attack our rights just about every time there is a massacre.

    that is why tons of gun dealers say Obama and Schumer, Brady and Feinstein are among the best salespeople the gun makers have. Every time those four turds start braying about gun bans, sales go through the roof.



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    Re: Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you actually going to deny that what I said is not true? Gun sales are NOT motivated by fear of crime? C'mon Goshin - you have far too much smarts to even go down that road.

    And the paranoid fear of government drips from so many gun threads its like a constant theme.

    FEAR motivates the gun community bigtime.
    And then fear of crime also motivates all purchases of home security systems, car alarms, martial arts classes, etc ad infitem. Are those completely fear-based...or based on prudence and preparedness?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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