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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    He seems to be about as socialist as Jesus.
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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Pope demands 'legitimate redistribution' of wealth




    Wealth redistribution advocation seems a little Marxist in nature. I'm not sure if he meant this literally or as a change in attitude from the corporate power structure?

    I hope he's a socialist! Just one more sign of a more moral, more progressive, more modern Church. Who wouldn't get behind that?

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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Social democrat, maybe. But he's definitely no Marxist.
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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    I am waiting on Paul Ryan's reaction.

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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am waiting on Paul Ryan's reaction.
    Heck, im waiting for phattonez's reaction. The pope just went directly against his economic beliefs.

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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Since he says he believes that. Is he going to start by redistributing all the wealth the Catholic Church has? Is he going to give up his luxuries? What is the total value of all the artwork, gold and other holdings of the Catholic Church?
    That's a good point, lead by example. But I'm not sure if he has the power to give away church wealth?
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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Pope demands 'legitimate redistribution' of wealth


    And this is why the statements if the Pope have to be interpreted in the context of him being the leader of the Catholic Church. Many in the blogosphere have speculated that he favors Catholic Distributism (which is neither capitalist not socialist).

    Wealth redistribution advocation seems a little Marxist in nature. I'm not sure if he meant this literally or as a change in attitude from the corporate power structure?
    And this is why the statements if the Pope have to be interpreted in the context of him being the leader of the Catholic Church. Many in the blogosphere have speculated that he favors Catholic Distributism (which is neither capitalist not socialist).

    When he advocates for legitimate redistribution, he means legitimate redistribution. As an example, government break up of monopolies, which should involve an equitable remuneration.

    Also note that Distributism supports broad ownership of the means of production (whereas socialism supports government ownership). It also supports eliminating the inherent opposition between employers and employees, which is inherent in both capitalism and socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Let's hope he meant "A hand up and not a hand out"
    It would be reasonable to interpret him in that manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    He's certainly been influenced by liberation theology. Don't think he'll be giving sermons with an AK slung to his back anytime soon though.
    He opposed liberation theology as a Cardinal.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Since he says he believes that. Is he going to start by redistributing all the wealth the Catholic Church has? Is he going to give up his luxuries? What is the total value of all the artwork, gold and other holdings of the Catholic Church?
    The Church is one of the most charitable organizations in the world. And for a global organization is not that rich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    He seems to be about as socialist as Jesus.
    Which is to say, not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    I hope he's a socialist! Just one more sign of a more moral, more progressive, more modern Church. Who wouldn't get behind that?
    Not happening. He's probably a Distributist, which is an anti-socialist ideology.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    That's a good point, lead by example. But I'm not sure if he has the power to give away church wealth?
    He's not calling for property to simply be arbitrarily taken. Rather he likely is speaking of the means of production.

    Legitimate redistribution requires just compensation, so taking items such as artwork or gold that have their value in themselves would be pointless.

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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    And this is why the statements if the Pope have to be interpreted in the context of him being the leader of the Catholic Church. Many in the blogosphere have speculated that he favors Catholic Distributism (which is neither capitalist not socialist).

    Not happening. He's probably a Distributist, which is an anti-socialist ideology.
    Ehh step in the right direction at least. He's not hoarding, and that's progress!



    PS Jesus was totally a socialist:

    "For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.” Corinthians 8:13

    “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:2

    "Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need." Ephesians 4:28

    "And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need." Acts 2:44

    "Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need." Acts 4:32

    'Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”' Matthew 19:21

    "Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter." James 5:1


    There are waaaaaay more. I'm an atheist, I'm a democratic socialist, but I know my Bible. Jesus was about as commie as they come -- and that's just another thing I laud the guy for. He knew right from wrong, divine or not.

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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Just because you believe in more progressive redistribution of wealth it does not make you a socialist.


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    Re: Is the Pope a Socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Just because you believe in more progressive redistribution of wealth it does not make you a socialist.
    When your offices are gilded palaces full of expensive artwork it just might make you a hypocrite.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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