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    Drug Legalization

    So here's what the drug war has cost us so far:

    - Largest prison population in the world.

    - Estimates that the Drug War has cost taxpayers from $1 Trillion so far (or around $100 Billion a year) and this is a conservative estimate.

    - Cops have been militarized: every city and government agency (including the Dept of Education) now has a SWAT team equipped with military weapons and vehicles.

    - Lots of innocent people have been killed (form drug gang shootouts to cops mistaking raiding the wrong house)

    - Arrests and incarceration of large number of minorities (the black population has been absolutely devastated by arrests and busts)

    - Strengthened organized crime (drug cartels control huge swaths of territory in Latin America) and caused massacres/high murder rates in other countries.

    It only took 13 years for the older generation of politicians to repeal Prohibition when they realized that it wasnt working. Why are a huge number of politicians now still for the war even though its not working?

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    It only took 13 years for the older generation of politicians to repeal Prohibition when they realized that it wasnt working.
    Still regurgitating the same old myths. Prohibition did work it was repealed because people wanted to drink. The only thing drug legalization is about is wanting to do drugs, nothing more.

    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/op...-20s.html?_r=0

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Some drugs should be regulated as dangerous substances....unfortunately most of these are quite legal and owned by big Pharma which makes control difficult.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Still regurgitating the same old myths. Prohibition did work it was repealed because people wanted to drink. The only thing drug legalization is about is wanting to do drugs, nothing more.

    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/op...-20s.html?_r=0
    The US is the #1 market for drugs in the world, so it means people want to do drugs just like they want to drink.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-leads...egal-drug-use/

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So here's what the drug war has cost us so far:

    - Largest prison population in the world.

    - Estimates that the Drug War has cost taxpayers from $1 Trillion so far (or around $100 Billion a year) and this is a conservative estimate.

    - Cops have been militarized: every city and government agency (including the Dept of Education) now has a SWAT team equipped with military weapons and vehicles.

    - Lots of innocent people have been killed (form drug gang shootouts to cops mistaking raiding the wrong house)

    - Arrests and incarceration of large number of minorities (the black population has been absolutely devastated by arrests and busts)

    - Strengthened organized crime (drug cartels control huge swaths of territory in Latin America) and caused massacres/high murder rates in other countries.

    It only took 13 years for the older generation of politicians to repeal Prohibition when they realized that it wasnt working. Why are a huge number of politicians now still for the war even though its not working?
    While I think the war on drugs has been an abject failure (obviously), I still don't know how I feel about legalizing SOME harder drugs. Some people can be dangerous and unpredictable when under the influence of these drugs, and therefore it is not only endangering themselves but others around them.

    But on the other hand, I could make the same claim about alcohol. Some people are going to do things they wouldn't normally do while under the influence of alcohol. It's a really tough one!!

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The only thing drug legalization is about is wanting to do drugs, nothing more.
    I don't think so. I am pro-legalization and I have no desire whatsoever to use drugs. And there is a lot of other people who feel the same way I do.

    And another problem with drug laws that the OP didn't mention is that many people are in some serious pain from sickness and injury and do not have access to pain killers that would dramatically improve the quality of their lives. Because of draconian drug laws they must suffer excruciating pain. Prohibition is immoral IMO.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Should drugs be legalized?
    here's what i support :

    pot : legalized at the federal level, commercially produced, and completely legal for adults in every state. individual states would not be permitted to make it illegal. this has to be done, because some of the more backwards states will throw tantrums and try to ban it. we have to prevent them from doing that, because it will just lead to more blackmarket nonsense. pot prohibition has been a hopeless failure, and it's time to put it behind us. additionally, full legalization will allow a new industry to hire people, and we will probably see big savings in enforcement and incarceration.

    hallucinogens : decriminalize and study. no one goes to jail for possession, and the fines should be trivial. possible full legalization after a brief period.

    cocaine : once again, no jail for possession. we have to accept, though, that we're talking about a much more serious drug here. might be able to completely legalize it at some point, but it needs to be done in phases.

    opiates : this one's a real can of worms. no jail for possession, but we should have a serious national discussion about how we want to handle this category of drugs. opiates are for real scary, not like the fake hysteria and lies that led to pot prohibition.

    other : every non violent drug offender should be released from jail, and records for possession should be expunged. the last thing we need is for them to be unable to get work, and yeah, something like that can keep you out of a good job. if we want them to turn their lives around, it's treatment and work, not jail and a scarlet letter.

    a question you might have is why not just do it all at once? legalize everything overnight if neoprohibition is such an obvious failure. the reason is that this is a massive societal change, and it needs to be done in steps, IMO. we need to ease it in and give it time. in the meantime, we build our treatment infrastructure and stop ruining peoples' lives with criminal records.

    i think this would be the right way to address the issue.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    here's what i support :

    pot : legalized at the federal level, commercially produced, and completely legal for adults in every state. individual states would not be permitted to make it illegal. this has to be done, because some of the more backwards states will throw tantrums and try to ban it. we have to prevent them from doing that, because it will just lead to more blackmarket nonsense. pot prohibition has been a hopeless failure, and it's time to put it behind us. additionally, full legalization will allow a new industry to hire people, and we will probably see big savings in enforcement and incarceration.

    hallucinogens : decriminalize and study. no one goes to jail for possession, and the fines should be trivial. possible full legalization after a brief period.

    cocaine : once again, no jail for possession. we have to accept, though, that we're talking about a much more serious drug here. might be able to completely legalize it at some point, but it needs to be done in phases.

    opiates : this one's a real can of worms. no jail for possession, but we should have a serious national discussion about how we want to handle this category of drugs. opiates are for real scary, not like the fake hysteria and lies that led to pot prohibition.

    other : every non violent drug offender should be released from jail, and records for possession should be expunged. the last thing we need is for them to be unable to get work, and yeah, something like that can keep you out of a good job. if we want them to turn their lives around, it's treatment and work, not jail and a scarlet letter.

    a question you might have is why not just do it all at once? legalize everything overnight if neoprohibition is such an obvious failure. the reason is that this is a massive societal change, and it needs to be done in steps, IMO. we need to ease it in and give it time. in the meantime, we build our treatment infrastructure and stop ruining peoples' lives with criminal records.

    i think this would be the right way to address the issue.
    That sounds like a really good plan to me.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Still regurgitating the same old myths. Prohibition did work it was repealed because people wanted to drink. The only thing drug legalization is about is wanting to do drugs, nothing more.

    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/op...-20s.html?_r=0
    Neither of your linked article reaches that conclusion. Both acknowledge that changing drug policy may be best for the country.

    One indicates that alcohol consumption was reduced during prohibition and increased afterwards, but that seems difficult to demonstrate, since all they can measure with any accuracy is legal consumption, which would obviously drop during Prohibition, and increase after it's repeal.

    You other article only claims that the murder rate didn't increase by quite the amount claimed during Prohibition, which is a side point at best.

    Neither addresses how creating a massively profitable black market improved anything. Certainly organized crime existed prior to Prohibition, but Prohibition is what made them rich and powerful.

    The main argument against the War on Drugs is that the negative effects of the policy far outweigh any benefits.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I don't think so. I am pro-legalization and I have no desire whatsoever to use drugs. And there is a lot of other people who feel the same way I do.
    You are in the minority, most all of the pro legalization people I have ever talked to have been either current or former users of drugs

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