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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The US is the #1 market for drugs in the world, so it means people want to do drugs just like they want to drink.

    U.S. Leads the World in Illegal Drug Use - CBS News
    If that's what the US wants so be it but all this phony stuff about prohibition not working and the "negative" effects of the war on drugs will get the movement no where.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Well I am for full legalization of all drugs. Im not a user btw.

    First off, you cant do a partial legalization simply because the black market will continue for the harder drugs. Secondly (and I forgot to mention this in the OP), the government can do brisk business in regulation rather than outright banning. And it will put the criminal cartels out of business when it comes to making money off drugs and this should also conversely lessen the prison population and stop militarizing cops.

    Most importantly, the country will not go to hell in a hand basket should this happen. Why do I know this? Because one country, back in 2001, already decriminalized (but not legalized) all drugs: Portugal.

    And the drug use of their population actually declined! So it is possible to move forward on this.

    Decriminalizing Drugs in Portugal a Success, Says Report - TIME

    "Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."

    Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana.

    The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Legalize - tax - watch the national debt tumble - win - win - win.....

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Neither of your linked article reaches that conclusion. Both acknowledge that changing drug policy may be best for the country.

    One indicates that alcohol consumption was reduced during prohibition and increased afterwards, but that seems difficult to demonstrate, since all they can measure with any accuracy is legal consumption, which would obviously drop during Prohibition, and increase after it's repeal.

    You other article only claims that the murder rate didn't increase by quite the amount claimed during Prohibition, which is a side point at best.

    Neither addresses how creating a massively profitable black market improved anything. Certainly organized crime existed prior to Prohibition, but Prohibition is what made them rich and powerful.

    The main argument against the War on Drugs is that the negative effects of the policy far outweigh any benefits.
    prohibition had 1 real goal to decrease alcohol consumption and the negative effects associated with it. It accomplished that with very minor negative side effects that have been overblown in an attempt to justify getting rid of drug prohibition.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Legalize - tax - watch the national debt tumble - win - win - win.....
    And why will johnny pothead buy from your heavy taxed legal weed when the cartels will still be providing cheaper drugs?

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Still regurgitating the same old myths. Prohibition did work it was repealed because people wanted to drink. The only thing drug legalization is about is wanting to do drugs, nothing more.

    Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/op...-20s.html?_r=0
    It is not a myth it is fact prohibition did not work and was an absolute failure.

    It was not repealed because people wanted to drink. In fact anyone who wished to drink did drink in spite of prohibition.

    Prohibition accomoplished only the criminalization of those who simply wished to do with themselves as they saw fit while encouraging violence and gang activity. Prohibition also merely increased government power and tyranny. WHat is interesting is that even when it was repealed the government maintained it's increased power and authority which means the one part of prohibition remaining is the tyranny it caused.

    The same logical truthds apply to the failed war on drugs which was utterly lost by the US government the moment it began.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    prohibition had 1 real goal to decrease alcohol consumption and the negative effects associated with it. It accomplished that with very minor negative side effects that have been overblown in an attempt to justify getting rid of drug prohibition.
    Actually consumption of alcohol increased during prohibition and decreased slightly when it was repealed.

    Decrease in alcohol consumption and the negative effects was never a goal of prohibition.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    While I think the war on drugs has been an abject failure (obviously), I still don't know how I feel about legalizing SOME harder drugs. Some people can be dangerous and unpredictable when under the influence of these drugs, and therefore it is not only endangering themselves but others around them.
    I think most of the violence associated with some hard drugs stems directly from their prohibited status. That is why we have so many young people being shot down in the streets in the prime of their lives. Or having their lives ruined by a prison sentence. For example, if cocaine was legal the cost per dose would probably be comparable to a cup of coffee (another CNS stimulant). And you don't see drug cartel gangsters shooting up your local Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts shops. And you don't see anyone committing crimes to get coffee money.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But on the other hand, I could make the same claim about alcohol. Some people are going to do things they wouldn't normally do while under the influence of alcohol. It's a really tough one!!
    And alcohol is even more addictive than many "hard" drugs. Yet the vast majority of people who drink, myself included, drink in moderation and it has no negative effects on their lives or the lives of those around them.

    I drink practically every day. At dinnertime I almost always have either some wine or beer depending on what is on the menu that evening. For instance, beer goes excellent with a steak or burger. And red wine goes great with Italian cuisine. White wine compliments fish very nicely. There is no good reason to deny alcohol to the vast majority of alcoholic beverage consumers just because a small minority of people abuse alcohol.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    It's just an example of America trying to enforce its morality. They do it to other nations, just as they do it to their own.

    If drugs could be regulated, subsidized, and taxed...oh wait. They can be. Guess that means oppressive American ethics are the only thing keeping them illegal.

    And I've never done any drug harder than weed in my entire life...didn't smoke it that long either.

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    Re: Drug Legalization

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    And why will johnny pothead buy from your heavy taxed legal weed when the cartels will still be providing cheaper drugs?
    Why do people buy beer when they can brew it themselves? Why isn't there a black market for alcohol?

    Why do people pay higher prices in convenience stores when larger grocery chain have same items cheaper?


    Keeping drugs, marijuana especially, illegal costs us tons of money and provides no real return on investment.

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