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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?


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1.)Right.
2.) Minorities, ok, not all of them, don't support Liberals who promote these programs?
3.) They, like you would be happy to just see them fade away?
4.) Then why do they keep voting for people who continue them?
5.) Right, good for everyone
6.) That is why the University of Texas Law school got sued when a four White applicants were denied entry while "All had better combined LSAT and grade scores than 36 of the 43 Latinos admitted, and 16 of the 18 black students admitted."
7.)Ok, denying the more qualified while promoting the lesser qualified due to race helps everyone. Good luck with that one.

1.) yes i know facts are like that
2.) the majority of americans support equal rights and equal and fair treatment of people based on merit and not race, age, gender etc
3.) no, they, like me support equal rights and the government protecting everybody's rights
4.) see #3
5.) 100% correct!
6.) 100% correct because they were NOT practicing AA/EEO and broke the law LMAO
7.) never said that, thats the lie you just made up and proved it wrong with your own example. Thank you.
Try understanding what actual and factual AA/EEO is first and your confusion will be clreared up.

AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.
 
YOu are still doing it. I clearly was talking about his thought process not the word. Quote away, it just proves you wrong.
Then be careful when you post not to post words you don't want other people to quote.
 
Barack Obama is living proof that AA is no longer needed, unless he's only where he is because of AA.

Oh please! Anyone that believes that should have their head examined.
 
1.) yes i know facts are like that
2.) the majority of americans support equal rights and equal and fair treatment of people based on merit and not race, age, gender etc
3.) no, they, like me support equal rights and the government protecting everybody's rights
4.) see #3
5.) 100% correct!
6.) 100% correct because they were NOT practicing AA/EEO and broke the law LMAO
7.) never said that, thats the lie you just made up and proved it wrong with your own example. Thank you.
Try understanding what actual and factual AA/EEO is first and your confusion will be clreared up.

AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.

Actually, you support what you believe are their rights. Do you support someone to act upon their religious beliefs when conducting business in a privately owned store?

I understand AA/EEO. It is a way to promote racism, sexism and several other "isms" based upon the belief that those "ism's" are justified because someone else was that towards them. I a person is racist against on person, it does not give all persons of the "victim's" race the right to be racist in return.

No, you need to learn what racism and equality truly are, not just you "factual opinion". Racism is the belief or actions that suppose one race is superior to another and actions, any actions, that use race as a selective criteria. Equality means "everyone" not just selected groups are treated exactly the same. Obviously, AA/EEO fits the definition of racism and not of equality.
 
1.)Actually, you support what you believe are their rights.
2.) Do you support someone to act upon their religious beliefs when conducting business in a privately owned store?
3.)I understand AA/EEO.
4.) It is a way to promote racism, sexism and several other "isms" based upon the belief that those "ism's" are justified because someone else was that towards them. I a person is racist against on person, it does not give all persons of the "victim's" race the right to be racist in return.
5.)No, you need to learn what racism and equality truly are, not just you "factual opinion".
6.) Racism is the belief or actions that suppose one race is superior to another and actions, any actions, that use race as a selective criteria.
7.) Equality means "everyone" not just selected groups are treated exactly the same.
8.)Obviously, AA/EEO fits the definition of racism and not of equality.

1.) false i support what thier rights factual are. again my beliefs play ZERO role and this fact will not change.
2.) 100%
3.) your posts seem to prove otherwise
4.) 100% wrong and think you for proving that you dont understand what AA/EEO actually and factually is
5.) again my opinions and belifes have not been posted here, this is the factual mistake you keep making.
6.) correct that is part of the definition and one of them
7.) correct
8/) 200% false proven by facts and the definition of AA/EEO

again AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.

thank you for proving you were unaware of what AA/EEO is and proving the facts to be true.
 
That was then; this is now__Dwelling on the past only serves to stagnate and deteriorate_

Your only true restrictions are your limitations and abilities; both real and imagined_

Recipe For Success:

Obey the law and choose friends discriminately because you will be judged by the company you keep_

Educate yourself to the very best of your ability, speak well, be polite and dress for success_

Develop a good work ethic and attitude and work hard at whatever job you do and you will get noticed_

Never allow ridicule or rejection to culminate in blame and anger because it accomplishes nothing_

Instead evaluate yourself and the situation to figure out what might have caused the ridicule or rejection_

You will find that the color of your skin is inconsequential compared to these much more important attributes_

Or you can continue on your present course and never know the true meaning of happiness and success_

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are living in a fantasy land if you really believe that racism does not exist and is not an obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome. Do you realize the amount of racist garbage that has been posted here on this website?
 
Unlike your words, his words were of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance like your's are.
Hey, I'm back.

Bundy unwittingly disparaged black persons in his statement.
 
1.) false i support what thier rights factual are. again my beliefs play ZERO role and this fact will not change.
2.) 100%
3.) your posts seem to prove otherwise
4.) 100% wrong and think you for proving that you dont understand what AA/EEO actually and factually is
5.) again my opinions and belifes have not been posted here, this is the factual mistake you keep making.
6.) correct that is part of the definition and one of them
7.) correct
8/) 200% false proven by facts and the definition of AA/EEO

again AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.


thank you for proving you were unaware of what AA/EEO is and proving the facts to be true.

Try looking up Hopwood v. Texas, among others. They clearly and definitively disprove your statement.
 
Try looking up Hopwood v. Texas, among others. They clearly and definitively disprove your statement.

no they dont they all support my statement and the facts. LMAO thank you for proving my statement right again and your false . . . . again.
they broke the LAW and they lost

again AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.
 
no they dont they all support my statement and the facts. LMAO thank you for proving my statement right again and your false . . . . again.
they broke the LAW and they lost

again AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.

Reread what the SCOTUS ruled. They throughout the suit saying that race WAS required as a selection criteria under the University's Affirmative Action plan. Thus proving that indeed, Affirmative Action does use race as a criteria and is RACIST.
 
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are living in a fantasy land if you really believe that racism does not exist
I would never suggest that "racism" doesn't exist, MS!

In fact I have stated on several occasions that "racism" will always exist to some extent and in some form or other_
but
"Racism" towards minority groups is rarely seen in Western Cultures and is inconsequential because governments and society will no longer tolerate it_

In fact, the worst 20th Century stigma one can have attached to them is "RACIST"!

...and is not an obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome.
Can you produce an actual example of a racist "obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome"

I'm pretty sure there are rational explanations other than racist bigotry for the "obstacles" you alluded to_

Do you realize the amount of racist garbage that has been posted here on this website?
I do realize from experience that 90% of what is called "racist garbage" is actually Political Incorrectness_

There's a whole lotta forbidden language and taboos that will automaticly get you labeled a "racist" ya know_
 
Supposed superiority is not a necessary condition for racism.

rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
 
rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Wasn't that definition 2 in wiktionary?
 
“Let me tell you something I know about the Negro...
rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
 
I would never suggest that "racism" doesn't exist, MS!

In fact I have stated on several occasions that "racism" will always exist to some extent and in some form or other_
but
"Racism" towards minority groups is rarely seen in Western Cultures and is inconsequential because governments and society will no longer tolerate it_

In fact, the worst 20th Century stigma one can have attached to them is "RACIST"!

I'm sorry, but your statement that racism towards minority groups is rarely seen in western culture is simply false. You must be living in some youthful, sheltered existence. Here's an example

Ku Klux Klan on new recruitment drive with leaflet drop in towns across America - Telegraph

The Ku Klux Klan is on a recruitment drive across America with a new leafleting campaign, as membership numbers grow due to opposition to Barack Obama and increased immigration.

Residents of towns in Texas, Louisiana, Illinois and Pennsylvania emerged from their houses over the weekend to find fliers attached to their doors, car windscreens or on the front lawn declaring “The KKK wants you.”
...............
Kevin Benton, a spokesman for the Rhome sheriff’s office, said the town had not seen anything like it since the 1990s and while the leaflets were not illegal, they caused concern.

“You wish it was something from the past, that you hoped everyone had gotten beyond that,” said Mr Benton.

On the contrary, the Ku Klux Klan is enjoying a resurgence.

In a report earlier last year the Southern Poverty Law Centre, a US civil rights research and campaign group, found that there were 1,360 right-wing, self-styled patriot groups in the US and, in addition, around 1,000 specific hate groups - a rise in total of more than 800 percent in the number of such groups since 2008, when Mr Obama was elected.

Can you produce an actual example of a racist "obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome"

I'm pretty sure there are rational explanations other than racist bigotry for the "obstacles" you alluded to_

I sure can, the notion that black people are less intelligent that whites is something that blacks constantly have to deal with. It's an obstacle. I hope you don't want to put forward the notion that in reality they are.

I do realize from experience that 90% of what is called "racist garbage" is actually Political Incorrectness_

There's a whole lotta forbidden language and taboos that will automaticly get you labeled a "racist" ya know_

So you believe the posts here that say that interracial marriage is bad?
 
Reread what the SCOTUS ruled. They throughout the suit saying that race WAS required as a selection criteria under the University's Affirmative Action plan. Thus proving that indeed, Affirmative Action does use race as a criteria and is RACIST.



100% correct
since i understood it the first time and know what it actually means theres no need to reread it.

it says universities, not the LAW'S or based on legal EQUALITY or based on RIGHTS or based on FACTUAL AA/EEO but the universities MADE UP policies that . . .wait for it . . . BROKE THE LAW

hence why they lost, they were NOT practicing factual AA/EEO
thank you AGAIN for proving the facts right and your own statement wrong

Once again facts win and the fact remains that real AA/EEO is not racist by definition. "AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things" The school choose to practice somethign different and it was found to be illegal no matter the name they called it.

Now you can easily see the mistake you made.
 
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Oh please! Anyone that believes that should have their head examined.

Oh, so no black can achieve great things then without AA? Really? Or did Obama only get where he is because of AA? Which is it? Can't be both.
 
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are living in a fantasy land if you really believe that racism does not exist and is not an obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome. Do you realize the amount of racist garbage that has been posted here on this website?

If the posts here offend you, then what are you doing here?

And do tell, what has the "racist garbage" that's posted on here done to repress you?
 
That was then; this is now__Dwelling on the past only serves to stagnate and deteriorate_

Your only true restrictions are your limitations and abilities; both real and imagined_

Recipe For Success:

Obey the law and choose friends discriminately because you will be judged by the company you keep_

Educate yourself to the very best of your ability, speak well, be polite and dress for success_

Develop a good work ethic and attitude and work hard at whatever job you do and you will get noticed_

Never allow ridicule or rejection to culminate in blame and anger because it accomplishes nothing_

Instead evaluate yourself and the situation to figure out what might have caused the ridicule or rejection_

You will find that the color of your skin is inconsequential compared to these much more important attributes_

Or you can continue on your present course and never know the true meaning of happiness and success_

What an excellent post.
 
But the second anyone points that out, they're called a racist. Blacks can't be racist because they're black. :roll:

Funny how that works, isn't it?

People on one hand scream and yell that we identify people by their skin color, then they scream and yell when we don't identify people by their skin color.

And yes, someone is bound to call me a racist.

Pathetic.
 
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Oh, so no black can achieve great things then without AA? Really? Or did Obama only get where he is because of AA? Which is it? Can't be both.

What the heck?? :lamo

It doesn't mean any of that. The point is that Obama's election to the position of president does not mean that racism has ended in the US to such an extent that AA is no longer necessary. Rather, the racist hate that has been directed at Obama is evidence that it hasn't.
 
In response to the poll question

Some AA programs CAN be racist, if they use race to make a decision.

Background is a far more accurate yardstick for who may need AA help.

Given the situation some black persons are in, it would probably be the same thing, in some cases - for example if you look at the background of disadvantaged black persons in a run-down area, it's not race that causes the disadvantage, so much as the area/culture they live in.
 
If the posts here offend you, then what are you doing here?

And do tell, what has the "racist garbage" that's posted on here done to repress you?

Oh, you don't like me posting here? I'm so crushed!!!!
 
What the heck?? :lamo

It doesn't mean any of that. The point is that Obama's election to the position of president does not mean that racism has ended in the US to such an extent that AA is no longer necessary. Rather, the racist hate that has been directed at Obama is evidence that it hasn't.

The subject of the poll is Affirmative Action. Good grief. Either we need it or we don't. Racist hate. Yes, that terrible racist hate has made it so that no black person can succeed in this country, so the government has to help blacks succeed - is that it?

Is Obama an Affirmative Action success story, or isn't he? If he isn't, then he's proof that AA isn't needed.

But please, by all means, keep complaining about the big bad racists on the anonymous message board.
 
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