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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    As opposed to the only one college in the world that enrolls black people?

    Bigotry and unjust discrimination against blacks permeates our society. It causes them problems in employment, housing, schooling and the justice system.

    That is not the case for whites.

    See the difference?

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It depends on how they're designed and implemented
    Affirmative action is the process of requiring large organizations to promote and hire employees in a way that ensure that the same percentage of applicants from each race group is equally represented in the hiring or promotion process.

    Here is an example if you have 1000 applicants and 100 positions.

    120 applicants are black
    40 applicants are hispanic
    20 applicants are asian
    820 applicants are white

    The company is required to hire these type of employees:

    12 black people
    4 hispanic people
    2 asian people
    82 white people

    It gives equal opportunity for all race groups to cry foul. It is always administered the exact same way every single time.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So my point is going over your head. Let me slow this down: if there is more than one definition, then to know what you mean by the word, you need to state which definition you are using. I have no idea why you are afraid to do so.
    no it didnt my point went over yours, i actually agreed with you

    this is why i said people can only go by the real definitionS

    what dont you get?

    one specific one isnt required to be provided because neither of them negate the other.
    Going by the definition of AA/EEO which is the discussion, there are ZERO definitions of racism that apply to AA/EEO. ZERO

    Pick any definition you want and none of them will make AA/EEO racist.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    I can't answer the poll because it did not specify a particular period in time.

    Affirmative action was necessary at one time to break down real cultural barriers that clearly existed and clearly disadvantaged certain groups of people. But that war has been won and we now need to stop fighting it.

    If we are talking about here and now, yes, it is racist to discriminate against people of color or to favor people of color via Affirmative Action. It is racist to assume that a particular group of people cannot make it without 'whitey's' (government) help and it is racist and diminishes excellence for all of us when standards are lowered so one group of people can qualify for no other reason than they are female or people of color or whatever.

    Affirmative Action is also cruel to people who are branded 'beneficiaries of Affirmative Action' and token whatever even though they honorably earned their credentials and place in the world on their own initiative. To force that upon people is also unacceptable racism.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I wonder how many people of color the Heritage Foundation has?
    I have no idea, but since "people of color" tend to vote democrat, and for more fiscally liberal policies and institutions, I'd be surprised if many of them WANT to work for, or have anything to do with, the Heritage Foundation.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, they don't. Use the whole definition.
    repeat that 50 times and it will change nothing


    FACTS
    AA/EEO is factually not racism
    a black man not giving you a job because you are white is factually racism

    those two facts will never change.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    repeat that 50 times and it will change nothing


    FACTS
    AA/EEO is factually not racism
    a black man not giving you a job because you are white is factually racism

    those two facts will never change.
    Such zealous ignorance.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    I dont care who created it it is still a racist organization, racism is when a anyone that aspires to help only a certain group of people.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no it didnt my point went over yours, i actually agreed with you

    this is why i said people can only go by the real definitionS

    what dont you get?

    one specific one isnt required to be provided because neither of them negate the other.
    Going by the definition of AA/EEO which is the discussion, there are ZERO definitions of racism that apply to AA/EEO. ZERO

    Pick any definition you want and none of them will make AA/EEO racist.

    Did you get that time, if not please let me know.
    There is a definition of racism under which AA fits. So you want to counter with your definition?
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Factually AA/EEO is not racist and can't be by definition. This fact will never change.

    Now do some people and Orgs practice things that are racist? yes absolutely but by definition thats NOT AA/EEO. This is the reality that many people simply don understand.
    Equal Employment Opportunity is the law today. Affirmative Action is no longer the law. Affirmative Action in theory could require companies to hire unqualified candidates. Equal Employment Opportunity is more in line with Martin Luther King Jr.'s idea that men would be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. Affirmative Action takes the opposite approach of judging a person only by the color of his skin.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I have little to add...other then I completely disagree with anyone being forced/encouraged by government to hire someone over someone else purely due to the melanin content of their skin.
    Martin Luther King said the same exact thing.

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