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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The part of the definition that specifies a system of unjust discrimination and privilege. That's something that blacks, in this country, are not capable of because they're a minority.

    If a black says he hates whites, it will never affect my ability to get a job or a fair shake in court. A single black business owner might discriminate against my job application, but there are a million other places to go, and so it has no societal impact upon me.

    If a white says he hate blacks, that carries very real implications for a black person.

    That's the difference. Racism is a social construct, with social implications. Bigotry by blacks does not meet the definition.
    so you are making up a definition and ignoring facts and the dictionary? got it

    sorry any race is capable of racism period. that fact will not change.

    if you would like to discuss how much power, weight, affect that the particular racism has in areas, time period, groups etc you are free to do so and i would agree they have different impacts. But that doesnt change that fact that if a black guy doesnt hire you because you are white that its racism. Its factually is by definition.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where not whites in south Africa a minority?
    Minority, in the case of racism, refers to power and not merely numbers. Surely you can understand that.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Minority, in the case of racism, refers to power and not merely numbers. Surely you can understand that.
    I have never heard that before.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    Affirmative action is already illegal except for the federal government. I know for a fact that the military was practicing affirmative action in 2002. They probably still do. Companies are no longer allowed to discriminate based upon race, gender, religion, national origin and a couple of other things.

    The Marine Corps is required to discriminate based upon race and gender. I would assume that is the same for all branches of the military and other government agencies.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If there is only one real definition, you should have no problem providing it.
    never said there was only ONE, in fact i said definitionS as in plural. If you would like them please look it up in any corresponding dictionary you see fit. I like websters. You're welcome.
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so you are making up a definition and ignoring facts and the dictionary? got it
    Read the whole definition. You are the one ignoring facts.

    sorry any race is capable of racism period. that fact will not change.
    Ignorance, and ignoring context.

    if you would like to discuss how much power, weight, affect that the particular racism has in areas, time period, groups etc you are free to do so and i would agree they have different impacts. But that doesnt change that fact that if a black guy doesnt hire you because you are white that its racism. Its factually is by definition.
    More ignorance. Can't you just deal with the fact that a minority (in power) is not capable of institutionalized and systemic unjust discrimination? It's not a very complicated thing.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    1.)Affirmative action is already illegal except for the federal government.
    2.)I know for a fact that the military was practicing affirmative action in 2002. They probably still do.
    3.)Companies are no longer allowed to discriminate based upon race, gender, religion, national origin and a couple of other things.

    The Marine Corps is required to discriminate based upon race and gender. I would assume that is the same for all branches of the military and other government agencies.
    1.)100% false AA/EEO is legal and the best way not to do anything illegal and break any discrimaintion laws and violate peoples rights.
    2.) no impact to the discussion
    3.) correct and this is why they practice AA/EEO
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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The part of the definition that specifies a system of unjust discrimination and privilege. That's something that blacks, in this country, are not capable of because they're a minority.

    If a black says he hates whites, it will never affect my ability to get a job or a fair shake in court. A single black business owner might discriminate against my job application, but there are a million other places to go, and so it has no societal impact upon me.

    If a white says he hate blacks, that carries very real implications for a black person.

    That's the difference. Racism is a social construct, with social implications. Bigotry by blacks does not meet the definition.
    I don't see how the situations are remotely different.

    There are literally millions of black people who are employed in the United States. There are literally also million places for black people to go if a white business owner chose not to hire black people.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    never said there was only ONE, in fact i said definitionS as in plural. If you would like them please look it up in any corresponding dictionary you see fit. I like websters. You're welcome.
    If you produce the whole Websters definition, you'll notice ~"a system of privilege". That's the part that blacks are incapable of on a societal level.

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    re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Hopefully you know some history. The NAACP was founded by white liberals.

    NAACP: 100 Years of History | NAACP
    I dont care who created it it is still a racist organization, racism is when a anyone that aspires to help only a certain group of people.

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