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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So what? We are talking about what has happened here in the United States of America in recent history.

    What you don't realize is that racist governments, particularly in the southern part of the US, practiced systemic racism. There are people alive today who bear the very deep scares of such systemic racism. Your little poorly thought out post is fail, and an excuse for the systemic racism that was practiced, until recently in the US. Hell, my grandfather could not even conceive of being a doctor or a lawyer, Why? Because in his day, that was something that was reserved for white people. Do you really understand that? Can you really wrap your mind around what I just said?

    Christ's sake? What the heck is that supposed to mean. If you are about responsibility, then government should take responsibility for the economic and psychological harm that was inflicted on blacks. That little lame rhetoric that you are spouting is a sorry excuse for the systemic failure of government to properly implement the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Are you posting about racism, or Affirmative Action?

    Barack Obama is living proof that AA is no longer needed, unless he's only where he is because of AA.

    If he isn't, then you may want to study how he & his wife got to be the successes that they are so you can achieve what they have.
    I think at least some of us believe he probably is where he is because of AA. Which is a HUGE reason that AA should be discarded on the trash heap of history. Sorry. I couldn't resist.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False. It's a part of the fabric of our society and will remain so until people like you are willing to look at society honestly and stop claiming black mental inferiority accounts for society's ills.
    Isn't it sad to know people who think this way still exist? I just shake my head.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No quotas?
    2.) You don't really read the posts at USMB do you.
    3.) How many times EVERY DAY does somebody comment on how some organization or group or political party or whatever is all WHITE rich guys?
    4.) That a photo of some gathering shows mostly WHITE faces?
    5.) What happens if a large organization happens to be all white at the higher levels?
    6.) If a school doesn't have a good percentage of minority students?
    7.) How important is it whether a person is black or white being elected to Congress?
    8.) How many of you would be happy with a Congress or state legislature or city council with no black people or other minorities or women in or on it?
    9.) How many times has the government required the military or fire or police departments etc. to lower standards so that more minorities or women could qualify? How many times has the government forced academia to set aside educational standards so more minorities, especially black people, could qualify?
    10.) How many corporations have been pressured to accommodate more minorities or else lose out on lucrative contracts or other government provisions?
    11.) How many minority advocacy groups have accused businesses of being racist because they were too WHITE?
    12.) And how many black people who have achieved great success are accused of being ungrateful if they don't give affirmative action credit for that success?
    13.) Yes they say quotas are now illegal--
    14.) they haven't always been illegal--and they now call it underutilization.
    15.) But there are penalties brought to bear if an organization is shown to not be showing good faith implementing its goals to correct underutilization meaning they aren't working hard enough or providing enough opportunity to minorities.
    16.) And that results in the perception that many minorities get their jobs because the organization HAD to hire them and not because they merited those positions.
    17.) Maybe that doesn't bother you.
    18.) It does bother my friends who have found themselves in that uncomfortable situation.
    1.) yes quotas are illegal per AA/EEO laws
    2.) nope because they dont pertain to me OR AA/EEO
    3.) dont know nor does it pertain to me or change the facts about AA/EEO
    4.) see #2
    5.) nothing if they didnt break the law and or followed AA/EEO
    6.) see #5
    7.) see #3
    8.) ZERO impact to me if they didnt break the law and or followed AA/EO
    9.) see #3
    10.) see #3
    11.) see #3
    12.) see #3
    13.) no I dont say they are illegal they factually are illegal, my say is meanignless
    14.) see #3
    15.) 100% false there are penalties for BREAKING the law and thats not just for minorities.
    16.) again peoples misguided uneducated factually wrong perceptions does nothing to the facts
    17.) no stupid people with factually false perceptions dont bother me
    18.) you friends are misguided then

    I know people that think both Obama and Bush are comparable to Hitler, those retards and thier stupidity have no effect on me because.
    its a complete wast of time to be bothered by people that stupid.
    Anybody that thinks i go my job only because of AA/EEO isnt to bright, hence im not bothered by them. I actually laugh at thier stupidity then find it sad.
    thank you for proving my point about people simply dont know what it factually is

    Can you explain a logical reason to be bothered by it on any real level?
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    1.)Then why does AA/EEO factually exist?
    2.)If minorities don't feel they deserve "special privilege" but believe they can compete on an equal basis, the there is absolutely not reason for AA programs to exist.
    3.)So either some have an "inferiority complex" and support AA type programs or they believe they are equal and don't want special "privilege".
    4.)Apparently both exist, and thats the facts Jack.
    1. to protect rights, ALL OF OUR RIGHTS
    AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.

    2.) false LMAO and minorities do not feel that way and AA/EEO is not just a minority thing

    thank you for proving my point about people simply dont know what it factually is

    3.) already proven false since your premise is factually false
    4.) actually know facts prove otherwise but you are free to have any opinion you like even if you cant support it
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    What the heck are you doing on this message board?
    Hardly any of my off-line friends give a damn about politics. Most of the public is apathetic. They think I'm weird because sometimes I have C-SPAN on the TV. Most of them don't even vote. I visit sites like this and several other politically oriented sites because that's how I get my politics fix. It's one of my interests.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Let's not forget the Congressional Black Caucus. Even the politicians draw lines.

    Either we're a society of equals without color, or we're a society of different races. We can't have it both ways.
    But the second anyone points that out, they're called a racist. Blacks can't be racist because they're black.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Hardly any of my off-line friends give a damn about politics. Most of the public is apathetic. They think I'm weird because sometimes I have C-SPAN on the TV. Most of them don't even vote. I visit sites like this and several other politically oriented sites because that's how I get my politics fix. It's one of my interests.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1. to protect rights, ALL OF OUR RIGHTS
    AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things.

    2.) false LMAO and minorities do not feel that way and AA/EEO is not just a minority thing

    thank you for proving my point about people simply dont know what it factually is

    3.) already proven false since your premise is factually false
    4.) actually know facts prove otherwise but you are free to have any opinion you like even if you cant support it
    Right. Minorities, ok, not all of them, don't support Liberals who promote these programs? They, like you would be happy to just see them fade away? Then why do they keep voting for people who continue them?

    Right, good for everyone, That is why the University of Texas Law school got sued when a four White applicants were denied entry while "All had better combined LSAT and grade scores than 36 of the 43 Latinos admitted, and 16 of the 18 black students admitted." Ok, denying the more qualified while promoting the lesser qualified due to race helps everyone. Good luck with that one.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    What a shame. Your great talent could be utilized some other way.
    It is.

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