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Thread: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Whatever its motives, it's still discrimination.
    Yes, but NOT racism....that IS the point.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The amount of ignorance in bundys concerns is alarming.
    Not at all. What he saw was what is alarming.
    His interpretations of what he saw as a result dependency on the Gov were also real.
    Or are you suggesting that the breakdown of the family unit would be greater had there not been this dependency?
    Are you also suggesting that abortions would be more but for this dependency, and that work ethic would be much greater had it not been for this dependancy?
    I seriously hope not.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Actually; people of every race the world over have been both slave and slaver at some point in history_
    So what? We are talking about what has happened here in the United States of America in recent history.

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    So after a 150 years of freedom from American slavery, it's a very lame excuse for failure and blame_
    What you don't realize is that racist governments, particularly in the southern part of the US, practiced systemic racism. There are people alive today who bear the very deep scares of such systemic racism. Your little poorly thought out post is fail, and an excuse for the systemic racism that was practiced, until recently in the US. Hell, my grandfather could not even conceive of being a doctor or a lawyer, Why? Because in his day, that was something that was reserved for white people. Do you really understand that? Can you really wrap your mind around what I just said?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    For christ sake; it's time all people adopt a policy of personal responsibility for their actions, choices and lives_
    Christ's sake? What the heck is that supposed to mean. If you are about responsibility, then government should take responsibility for the economic and psychological harm that was inflicted on blacks. That little lame rhetoric that you are spouting is a sorry excuse for the systemic failure of government to properly implement the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Blacks just can't get a fair shot in the USA. Can you imagine if they had a chance to succeed? Why they could actually aspire to be lawyers, doctors, teachers, CEOs, accountants, Congressmen, judges, Supreme Court judges, singers, actors, models, entrepreneurs, Senators, hell, even the President of the United States. But with all this racism that exists, and every white person being against blacks, sadly, they will never have those chances.


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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    AA doesn't necessarily have to be dividing. In some cases it has been uniting in that it has brought together people who would otherwise not have been together in the first place, that become friends.

    What has been dividing is some Republican politicians and political commentators who have deliberately used AA, to exploit the racist tendencies in some whites. That has been the major source of the divide.
    Do you know how foolish and blindly partisan that looks to somebody who has been there and knows the score?

    Of course there are shades of gray in anything. Numbnuts put everything in black and white terms and refuse to discuss anything objectively. Oh, there is a success story re affirmative action so see? Affirmative Action is a complete success.

    Well I know too many people who are bright, intelligent, capable people who have lived a huge chunk of their careers with many of their colleagues believing they were the 'token black' or 'token something' and got their position purely because of affirmative action. And then there are those who have watched competency and excellence eroded because standards had to be lowered to accommodate affirmative action. And again, affirmative action requires us to separate people by race, gender, and ethnicity and will not allow us to see people as just people. That helps keep racism alive and doesn't allow skin color to become no more important than hair or eye color.

    The numbnuts won't even acknowledge, much less discuss this though. It isn't politically correct to consider anything other than the assigned talking points and the leftist religion. And that is tragic.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Blacks just can't get a fair shot in the USA. Can you imagine if they had a chance to succeed? Why they could actually aspire to be lawyers, doctors, teachers, CEOs, accountants, Congressmen, judges, Supreme Court judges, singers, actors, models, entrepreneurs, Senators, hell, even the President of the United States. But with everyone being against them, sadly, they will never have those chances.

    I think it is sad that certain posters have to constantly create strawmen and straw arguments.

    I thought horses preferred grain to straw.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I think it is sad that certain posters have to constantly create strawmen and straw arguments.

    I thought horses preferred grain to straw.
    Cute! Did you think of that all by yourself?

    No strawmen from me, my friend. Just pointing out the obvious.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Do you know how foolish and blindly partisan that looks to somebody who has been there and knows the score?

    Of course there are shades of gray in anything. Numbnuts put everything in black and white terms and refuse to discuss anything objectively. Oh, there is a success story re affirmative action so see? Affirmative Action is a complete success.

    Well I know too many people who are bright, intelligent, capable people who have lived a huge chunk of their careers with many of their colleagues believing they were the 'token black' or 'token something' and got their position purely because of affirmative action. And then there are those who have watched competency and excellence eroded because standards had to be lowered to accommodate affirmative action. And again, affirmative action requires us to separate people by race, gender, and ethnicity and will not allow us to see people as just people. That helps keep racism alive and doesn't allow skin color to become no more important than hair or eye color.

    The numbnuts won't even acknowledge, much less discuss this though. It isn't politically correct to consider anything other than the assigned talking points and the leftist religion. And that is tragic.
    There is some truth to what you have said. I don't dispute that. But people usually ignore the fact that AA has had positive effects and in fact was very necessary to correct some of the effects of systemic racism in the US. And I would say, on the whole the positive effects of AA has been worth bearing with the negative effects.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same optunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.
    Liberals like racial discrimination that benefits one's own minority group.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Blacks just can't get a fair shot in the USA. Can you imagine if they had a chance to succeed? Why they could actually aspire to be lawyers, doctors, teachers, CEOs, accountants, Congressmen, judges, Supreme Court judges, singers, actors, models, entrepreneurs, Senators, hell, even the President of the United States. But with all this racism that exists, and every white person being against blacks, sadly, they will never have those chances.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Do you know how foolish and blindly partisan that looks to somebody who has been there and knows the score?

    Of course there are shades of gray in anything. Numbnuts put everything in black and white terms and refuse to discuss anything objectively. Oh, there is a success story re affirmative action so see? Affirmative Action is a complete success.

    Well I know too many people who are bright, intelligent, capable people who have lived a huge chunk of their careers with many of their colleagues believing they were the 'token black' or 'token something' and got their position purely because of affirmative action. And then there are those who have watched competency and excellence eroded because standards had to be lowered to accommodate affirmative action. And again, affirmative action requires us to separate people by race, gender, and ethnicity and will not allow us to see people as just people. That helps keep racism alive and doesn't allow skin color to become no more important than hair or eye color.

    The numbnuts won't even acknowledge, much less discuss this though. It isn't politically correct to consider anything other than the assigned talking points and the leftist religion. And that is tragic.
    You two ladies are doing a great job here, so I'll keep reading here in this thread and just stay in the other threads to post.

    Ya'll got this just fine.
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