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Thread: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yes it does. It means that there have been and are very qualified blacks who have been screwed around because of racial discrimination.
    that does not justify very qualified whites being screwed over by AA.

    Have you ever considered the fact that AA also screws over very qualified blacks too?



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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that does not justify very qualified whites being screwed over by AA.

    Have you ever considered the fact that AA also screws over very qualified blacks too?
    AA was put in place to give blacks who would otherwise be still getting screwed around a chance.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same opportunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.
    That is an interesting point (apologies for pulling this from page one though).

    However, my main issue with AA or any similar system which determines entry in whole or in part on race is that it doesn't really address the issue.

    The issue is that some people don't have the same opportunity access that others do - due to financial situation, location, and (possibly?) race/sex, in descending order of affect.

    If you grant one of these disadvantaged persons entry into a position they would otherwise not get, due to their background, you had better provide remedial/catch up training.

    Better IMO to eliminate the disadvantage entirely.

    This is one reason that I am vehemently opposed to property taxes for school funding, not to mention property taxes in general. Actually, any location/area-based funding for education, unless it is a large area (like a state, or even a country).

    Some of the disparity in education quality can be assigned to environment (family situation, location, financial situation, etc.), and some to low-quality school staff (both teachers and administrators), yet in the end if the money is not there, the quality will not be there either.

    So I think that one way to address the disparity would be to fund public schools differently.

    Actually, are public schools always funded via property taxes? I know they are in PA...

    Damn I went a bit off track there...sorry, pet topic.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Even if there was no AA, some whites would still hate blacks and practice discriminatory hiring practices to the detriment of blacks.
    And their would be some of Minority status that would do it to whites. It does go both ways.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    And their would be some of Minority status that would do it to whites. It does go both ways.
    How many blacks are CEOs of fortune 500 corporations? How many whites are CEOs of fortune 500 corporations?

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    AA was put in place to give blacks who would otherwise be still getting screwed around a chance.
    how so-if you have a 3.3 GPA and a 1100 SAT why are you getting screwed over when a white kid with a 3.6 and a 1200 gets into a college ahead of you

    you think affirmative action was designed to allow blacks with 4.0 and a 99th percentile LSAT to get into Michigan law school ahead of a white guy with a 3.7 and a 95th percentile?

    in reality its about blacks with inferior credentials jumping over whites an asians with superior credentials



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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If you grant one of these disadvantaged persons entry into a position they would otherwise not get, due to their background, you had better provide remedial/catch up training.
    You should not put people in positions that cannot do the work. That is a mistake. If however, you have two applicants that can do the work, one white and one black, but you don't have any black representation or a shortage thereof, it's not unjust to hire the black guy, due to past discriminatory practices.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    how so-if you have a 3.3 GPA and a 1100 SAT why are you getting screwed over when a white kid with a 3.6 and a 1200 gets into a college ahead of you

    you think affirmative action was designed to allow blacks with 4.0 and a 99th percentile LSAT to get into Michigan law school ahead of a white guy with a 3.7 and a 95th percentile?

    in reality its about blacks with inferior credentials jumping over whites an asians with superior credentials
    In reality, white people like George W Bush get to go to places like Yale, even though there are blacks way more qualified.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You should not put people in positions that cannot do the work. That is a mistake. If however, you have two applicants that can do the work, one white and one black, but you don't have any black representation or a shortage thereof, it's not unjust to hire the black guy, due to past discriminatory practices.
    yeah it is because the white guy is being turned down due to his race. that is RACIAL DISCRIMINATION



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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    In reality, white people like George W Bush get to go to places like Yale, even though there are blacks way more qualified.
    really? which black was more qualified? Yale can do what it wants and in that era going to an elite prep school was an important factor in getting into Yale.

    In 1981, the top black accepted into yale law school had lower scores than over 2000 white males who were turned down

    are you trying to divert from the FACT that AA means blacks with inferior numbers are getting into schools or jobs ahead of whites/Asians with better scores



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