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Thread: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How Über orwellian!
    They dont even have to try to be orwellian anymore.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Because rich people are never punish by the law. Corruption will be always present, but once again I ask how does AA address this or fix this since it race based and economic based.
    You are getting lost in the conversation.

    I said this

    Mildsteel said

    It's not a question of feeling guilty. It's a question of having a government that is fair and just. Blacks were brutally abused in the past and that has had an very detrimental effect on their present condition. A government that endeavors to correct the past evils that it inflicted on a large segment of the population is merely doing what is just, not because of white guilt.
    Your response was

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    Government corrects this by giving the same standing in the eyes of the laws not by giving special treatment.
    My point is that people are not treated equally in the eyes of the law because people with money are given preferential treatment. Now you can say that such treatment is not part of the law, but in practical terms people apply the laws, and if the law is not being applied equally by people, then the effect is lost.

    The point is that AA programs recognize that due to past abuse, blacks are at an unfair disadvantage. One of the crucial factors that accounts for success in corporate America is access to the corporate networks of power. Because blacks were unfairly denied access to those networks for so long, and because as a group they were conditioned to believe that they were inferior to whites, AA programs attempt to put them into positions in corporate America and government such that these difficulties can be compensated for.

    I hope we don't keep going around in circles.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    In general - Wrong.

    The underline rarely happens. That is the truth.

    And crying because someone can afford better lawyers? iLOL
    It happens all the time. Otherwise people would not pay better lawyers more money.

    I'm not crying, I'm not in court.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    When there are much fewer Bundy and many fewer Bundy apologists. Yes, someday it wont be needed, I hope it is soon.
    Bundy employs minorities. What does he have to do with AA?

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    It is not so much Bundy but the legions of Bundy apologist that made me realize AA is still needed, I did not realize how many racist are left.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Bundy employs minorities. What does he have to do with AA?
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It is not so much Bundy but the legions of Bundy apologist that made me realize AA is still needed, I did not realize how many racist are left.
    Oh brother.

    Bundy employs minorities, and has never taken any action against them that it any way holds them back from opportunities. He actually is evidence that AA is no longer needed. Even a man who set half of this country into hysterics with his "racist" comments employs minorities. So obviously, there is no issue.

    I'm a Bundy "apologist" depending on your definition. And I am not now, never have been, and never will be a racist. Fact.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Let me tell you something I know about the negro...yep Bundy simply cares.

    The defenders are legion.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh brother.

    Bundy employs minorities, and has never taken any action against them that it any way holds them back from opportunities. He actually is evidence that AA is no longer needed. Even a man who set half of this country into hysterics with him comments employs minorities. So obviously, there is no issue.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Let me tell you something I know about the negro...yep Bundy simply cares.

    The defenders are legion.
    Okay, since we all know that Harry Reid also uses that word, then you have racism permating through the Democratic party because the Senate Majority Leader is obviously a racist. Fair enough. Thanks for admitting that.

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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    that word? Bundy is an ignoant racist, anyone who thinks like he does is a racist too.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, since we all know that Harry Reid also uses that word, then you have racism permating through the Democratic party because the Senate Majority Leader is obviously a racist. Fair enough. Thanks for admitting that.
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    Re: Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So how do you correct hundreds of years of government sponsored enslavement, torture, rape, and psychological abuse that was directed against blacks without having programs that are specifically designed to give blacks a boost to compensate for the extreme obstacles that were put in their path?
    The point is that no blacks living in the USA or their parents have experienced enslavement, etc. . . . The nation ended that a very long time ago with many MANY Americans shedding their blood and risking all they had to end it. And since then the American people, mostly all those eeeeeeevul white people, have ended segregation and implemented Affirmative Action to give a leg up to any who were disadvantaged by bad social policy.

    Those who have done extensive research on black Americans know that at some point following the Civil War, despite lingering racism, discrimination, and segregation, black people were the most rapidly advancing demographic economically right up to Johnson's Great Society initiatives that quite effectively stalled that advancement and in many cases put it into reverse. It was one of those good intentions producing unintended negative consequences things.

    But at any case, the war against racism, discrimination, and segregation has been won. It is now time to stop fighting it. If you want to help black people overcome their 'disadvantages, then join with people like me who want to end ALL programs that divide people economically, socially, politically, racially, ethnically. Help us make this a color blind society in which everybody truly is equal or has equal opportunity to be the best they can be in our society.

    A culture that demands that black people feel inferior, disadvantaged, or victimized is a society that will continue to separate out black people and keep them down instead of allowing everybody to see them as just Americans like all other Americans.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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