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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?


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It's not an attempt at societal unjust discrimination and privilege. It's a system of improving universities.

Not all discrimination is unjust, not all discrimination is bigotry. And not all bigotry is racism. I understand, these are concepts beyond the average Joe, but these are the facts.

Less qualified candidates are selected because of the color of their skin, that is inherently racist. If minorities have it so bad off why don't we fix their quality of education instead of trying to drag others down?

Why should race even be on a college or job application?
 
Hey, I'm back.
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Were you lost or something?


Bundy unwittingly disparaged black persons in his statement.
Wrong.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.

It is dishonest to say otherwise.

And secondly, a persons oversensitivity does not make the words unintentionally racist either.
That is nothing more then their own delusions, of which he is not responsible for.
 
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Its remarkable how many lefties just can't see how racial quotas, affirmative action, or the belief that people can't compete because of their skin color is in itself the very definition of racism. At no point are the achievements of the individual mentioned-rather its reflexively dismissed as racist. Please, surely the left can advance the argument beyond this.
 
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Were you lost or something?
Probably.


Wrong.

Words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance, are words of concern that are not of disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
You have to take them out of context to suggest they are of disparagement. Unintentional or otherwise.

It is dishonest to say otherwise.

And secondly, a persons oversensitivity does not make the words unintentionally racist either.
That is nothing more then their own delusions, of which he is not responsible for.
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To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same optunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.

To me, AA is biased but definitely not racist.
 
I was talking to someone in this thread about the rhetorical tools of old fools. You know when you are talking to an old fool when they start relying on the use of terms, that have been inaccurately associated with negative concepts, instead of actually debating on substance. Such fools rely on terms such as quotas to cloak their old rotten malice. So when you here that term "quota" invoked, you should know for sure, you are talking to an old fool.
 
I was just thinking that, actually stronger AA implementations of AA are needed to counter the influence of embittered old white men on corporate power. There should be quotas for fortune 500 companies to rid the atmosphere of their old malice.
 
Ah, okay, so it was a phrase. The word Negro isn't racist.

Thanks for clearing that up!
If you and others who believe that affirmative action measures should solely have a punishment aspect to them (and therefore those actions rarely succeed), I say screw it. I you want to, for example, eliminate all offensive words from American vocabulary (which isn't your goal, it's punishment), I'd say you'd agree negro in all its forms should be completely eliminated from American utterance... by everyone. Or any other offensive word (like cracker or racist).

I just read the previous post... Hey MikiSteel, you and others who think the same as you could really benefit (and so could AA actions) if you read my post.
 
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Some of these old fools see these black athletes on TV and then they become envious. Actually Freud missed this aspect of penis envy. So some of them are envious, and they see that they are old and worn out, but they have some money. So they want to use their money to substitute for a penis.
 
The old fools beat their chest like tarzan of the apes, proclaiming that I am powerful because I have money. These dumb, lazy, blacks want affirmative action to take my money.
 
Of course they do not want affirmative action because they want to be free to continue to abuse corporate power to harass others. Take this well known example

"During the course of Defendant BILL O'REILLY'S sexual rant, it became clear that he was using a vibrator upon himself, and that he ejaculated. Plaintiff was repulsed"

and

"[D]uring the course of their dinner in early May 2002, Defendant BILL O'REILLY's demeanor abruptly changed. O'REILLY's eyes became glazed and bizarrely strayed in opposite directions. Suddenly, without provocation or warning, Defendant BILL O'REILLY said to Plaintiff ANDREA MACKRIS: "And just use your vibrator to blow off steam." When Plaintiff reddened, Defendant BILL O'REILLY asked lewdly: "What, you've got a vibrator, don't you? Every girl does." When Plaintiff replied indignantly, "No, and no, they don't. Does your wife?" Defendant replied: "Yes, in fact she does. She'd kill me if she knew I was telling you!" Plaintiff was repulsed."

Now do you understand why they don't want affirmative action?
 
Are Affirmative Action measures racist? No, but the congresspersons who devise the measures are quite possibly haters. And those who implement the measures are truly haters. Or course, they'll say minorities can't be haters...
 
Of course they hate black athletes. That's why one of their arguments is that "you don't see quotas for whites in the NBA and NFL."

BTW, that's another reason why we need to stop putting these athletes and rappers up on a pedestal. It's creating too much unnecessary envy among some white men.
 
I was just thinking that, actually stronger AA implementations of AA are needed to counter the influence of embittered old white men on corporate power. There should be quotas for fortune 500 companies to rid the atmosphere of their old malice.

You've had fifty years of exactly what you describe. When might some gains be expected?
 
You've had fifty years of exactly what you describe. When might some gains be expected?

Show me these 50 year quotas for blacks as CEOs of fortune 500 companies.
 
I here them talk in this thread about blacks dragging everyone else down. Actually they are dragging everyone else down with their rotten, old malice.
 
I here them talk in this thread about blacks dragging everyone else down. Actually they are dragging everyone else down with their rotten, old malice.

I'd have to disagree. I don't think most of them even think about you enough to form malicious thoughts. Their focus is business success.
 
I here them talk in this thread about blacks dragging everyone else down. Actually they are dragging everyone else down with their rotten, old malice.

Dude, quote who and what you are responding to. In a format like this your comments are totally lost as to their context. I've only seen you do it once so far. It's just very helpful.
 
Yes. I read that too.
racism - Wiktionary

Ok then...viewed, assumed or implied superiority is a factor in racism. AA is not racist simply because it does not assume any given race is superior or inferior.
 
And for those that don't believe that old white men hate black athletes, here's an example from a column by a well known political commentator

Mr. Obama, Welcome to the NFL!

For all its gracelessness, the McCain campaign, given openings by Barack, stepped in and put Muhammad Ali on the canvas.
..............
This was the opening Rick Davis of McCain's campaign needed to deliver a vicious uppercut to Obama's jaw........

What is being done here is that the hatred of black athletes is being taken out on Obama.

In a similar way, some old white men want to destroy affirmative action, to take out their hatred of black athletes on blacks.
 
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And for those that don't believe in old white male penis envy, please note these comments from another famous old white male political commentator

Republicans can turn to completing the neutering of this presidency

and

Obama's presidency may last 17 or 65 more months, but it has been irreversibly neutered

Here the desire is to castrate Obama, and rob him of his manhood. And what they want to do to Obama, they want to do to all black males.

Of course it is no coincidence that both of those political commentators have been very vocal opponents of affirmative action.
 
There's a saying that you can't tell if a man is fool, until he starts talking. Then you can understand everything.
 
Less qualified candidates are selected because of the color of their skin, that is inherently racist.

No, it's not. Read the whole definition of racism.
 
100% correct
since i understood it the first time and know what it actually means theres no need to reread it.

it says universities, not the LAW'S or based on legal EQUALITY or based on RIGHTS or based on FACTUAL AA/EEO but the universities MADE UP policies that . . .wait for it . . . BROKE THE LAW

hence why they lost, they were NOT practicing factual AA/EEO
thank you AGAIN for proving the facts right and your own statement wrong

Once again facts win and the fact remains that real AA/EEO is not racist by definition. "AA/EEO makes it ILLEGAL to make any hiring, firing, promotional, training, monetary, and benefit decisions based on race among many other things" The school choose to practice somethign different and it was found to be illegal no matter the name they called it.

Now you can easily see the mistake you made.

Actually, their plans were made up to comply with findings of Regents of the University of California v. Bakke which mandated "It upheld affirmative action, allowing race to be one of several factors in college admission policy."

From http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm

"For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities..." That means the government is telling them they must hire on race.

eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

If women and minorities are not being employed at a rate to be expected given their availability in the relevant labor pool, the contractor's affirmative action program includes specific practical steps designed to address this underutilization.

Which not only mandates hiring based upon race but established an "enforceable goal" also know as quota.
 
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