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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually that is bs. the most famous one had something like 435 incidents and in 432 of them the intruder brought the gun that did the harm
    Got a reference for that?

    Remember, TD, if I make a claim about a study, I can pretty much always back it up. You've made a claim, now back it up with a link to the study to prove your claim.
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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Got a reference for that?

    Remember, TD, if I make a claim about a study, I can pretty much always back it up. You've made a claim, now back it up with a link to the study to prove your claim.
    I cited that bogus study a few months ago. I have better things to do than retrace my steps because you did not pay attention the first time I posted it. I believe i posted it to you because you constantly try to convince people that having a gun is a bad idea.

    how many retired cops do you know that give up having a gun when they retire?



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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cited that bogus study a few months ago. I have better things to do than retrace my steps because you did not pay attention the first time I posted it. I believe i posted it to you because you constantly try to convince people that having a gun is a bad idea.

    how many retired cops do you know that give up having a gun when they retire?
    Well, I've got better things to do than to rely upon your claim that you cited that 'bogus' study months ago. You made the claim, you back it up. If you can't back it up, then your claim is worthless.
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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Well, I've got better things to do than to rely upon your claim that you cited that 'bogus' study months ago. You made the claim, you back it up. If you can't back it up, then your claim is worthless.


    Here is something I just found

    Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home
    A subsequent study, again by Kellermann, of fatal and non-fatal gunshot woundings, showed that only 14.2% of the shootings involving a gun whose origins were known, involved a gun kept in the home where the shooting occurred. (Kellermann, et. al. 1998. "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home." Journal of Trauma 45:263-267) ("The authors reported that among those 438 assaultive gunshot woundings, 49 involved a gun 'kept in the home where the shooting occurred,' 295 involved a gun brought to the scene from elsewhere, and another 94 involved a gun whose origins were not noted by the police [p. 252].") (Kleck, Gary. "Can Owning a Gun Really Triple the Owner's Chances of Being Murdered?" Homicide Studies 5 [2001].)

    Additional analysis of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset shows that just over 4 percent of all homicides, in the three counties Kellermann chose to study, involved victims being killed with a gun kept in their own home (see derivation). This supports the conclusion that people murdered with a gun kept in their own home are a small minority of all homicides



    even DU bashes Kellerman's nonsense

    "A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder" - Democratic Underground



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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Here is something I just found

    Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home
    A subsequent study, again by Kellermann, of fatal and non-fatal gunshot woundings, showed that only 14.2% of the shootings involving a gun whose origins were known, involved a gun kept in the home where the shooting occurred. (Kellermann, et. al. 1998. "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home." Journal of Trauma 45:263-267) ("The authors reported that among those 438 assaultive gunshot woundings, 49 involved a gun 'kept in the home where the shooting occurred,' 295 involved a gun brought to the scene from elsewhere, and another 94 involved a gun whose origins were not noted by the police [p. 252].") (Kleck, Gary. "Can Owning a Gun Really Triple the Owner's Chances of Being Murdered?" Homicide Studies 5 [2001].)

    Additional analysis of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset shows that just over 4 percent of all homicides, in the three counties Kellermann chose to study, involved victims being killed with a gun kept in their own home (see derivation). This supports the conclusion that people murdered with a gun kept in their own home are a small minority of all homicides



    even DU bashes Kellerman's nonsense

    "A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder" - Democratic Underground
    So one study was flawed. Problem is, there's a lot more than just one study showing that having a gun in a home is statistically associated with higher risks of suicide and homicide:

    Annals of Internal Medicine, 21 Jan 2014

    American Journal of Epidemiology, 9 Feb 2004

    American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine 02 Feb 2011

    And I like Ars Technica's take on that last study:

    Worse still, using a gun in self-defense is extremely rare (most instances involve using a gun to defend against animals): studies place defensive gun use at about one percent in home invasions and 0.1 percent in sexual assaults. Moreover, police reports suggest a lot of these uses involved inappropriate use of the gun.

    And most important of all is this essay by the American Psychological Association about how the government - usually under pressure by the NRA - has outlawed any studies by the CDC or NIH that could be used to promote gun control. What this means is that they can't do ANY such studies since the studies would of course show the increased risks of gun ownership...and as a direct result neither the NIH nor the CDC can conduct such studies.

    Anyone who has kept track of how a few (very red) states have outlawed taxpayer-funded studies of global warming or its effects. "If the science doesn't say what we want it to say, we're not going to let you study that science!"
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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So one study was flawed. Problem is, there's a lot more than just one study showing that having a gun in a home is statistically associated with higher risks of suicide and homicide:

    Annals of Internal Medicine, 21 Jan 2014

    American Journal of Epidemiology, 9 Feb 2004

    American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine 02 Feb 2011

    And I like Ars Technica's take on that last study:

    Worse still, using a gun in self-defense is extremely rare (most instances involve using a gun to defend against animals): studies place defensive gun use at about one percent in home invasions and 0.1 percent in sexual assaults. Moreover, police reports suggest a lot of these uses involved inappropriate use of the gun.

    And most important of all is this essay by the American Psychological Association about how the government - usually under pressure by the NRA - has outlawed any studies by the CDC or NIH that could be used to promote gun control. What this means is that they can't do ANY such studies since the studies would of course show the increased risks of gun ownership...and as a direct result neither the NIH nor the CDC can conduct such studies.

    Anyone who has kept track of how a few (very red) states have outlawed taxpayer-funded studies of global warming or its effects. "If the science doesn't say what we want it to say, we're not going to let you study that science!"
    did you ever stop and figure out that doctors talking about gun laws is sort of stupid

    like buying Guns and Ammo to learn how to prepare for a colonoscopy?

    why should the CDC be using our tax dollars to promote a failed agenda? gun control is not crime control but rather control of people who tend not to agree with socialists and liberals.

    I also laugh at police making any comment about other citizens being armed. Most cops are horrific shots and I'd rather have an average NRA member taking a shot at some guy about to cut my throat than most cops



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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    did you ever stop and figure out that doctors talking about gun laws is sort of stupid

    like buying Guns and Ammo to learn how to prepare for a colonoscopy?

    why should the CDC be using our tax dollars to promote a failed agenda? gun control is not crime control but rather control of people who tend not to agree with socialists and liberals.

    I also laugh at police making any comment about other citizens being armed. Most cops are horrific shots and I'd rather have an average NRA member taking a shot at some guy about to cut my throat than most cops
    Yeah, since when would doctors want to study what exactly caused the injuries - or the deaths - of the people brought into the emergency room....
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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, since when would doctors want to study what exactly caused the injuries - or the deaths - of the people brought into the emergency room....
    oh they can discuss what is the best way to say address a FMJ that has penetrated the thorax of a shooting victim

    stuff like laws about guns they aren't really qualified to discuss as experts.

    and almost all of them start with an agenda-ban guns or limit guns-and work backwards to try to prove that their hoplophobia is justified



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    Re: Do you keep a gun by your bed?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I do but then again I have a loaded gun in every room in my house.

    EDIT: I'm interested in how your politics relates to this decision too.
    My wife and I both lean left, and we each have a gun in a palm safe under the bed. Springfield 9mm for me, CZ 83 for her.
    If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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