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Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 35.7%

  • No

    Votes: 9 64.3%
  • Total voters
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Rainman05 said:
Juanita. I am not your lapdog to fetch statistics for you at will. I don't have time to entertain your ignorance. If you want to prove me wrong, prove me wrong with facts. Bring your own reputable sources to the table. I brought you 2 showing that there are genetic diseases that are prevalent in one race and not another and I gave a random example of sickle cell disease and how it is affecting people and mostly people of african descent. There are other races that have sickle cell disease but it's way less common than the ratio there is among african people and their descendants. I could have brought stuff like Tay Sachs or others but that would be useless since nobody can repute the first point. There is no need to bring more ammo to the fight when 1 bullet is enough to poke a hole in stupid rhetoric.

There is no racism in scientific data. It's the beauty of scientific data, what the result is, is what the result is. And if you disagree with that, then medical science is racist and then we better all just kill ourselves and get it over with sooner before some virus wipes us all out.

What Kalthag said is that we'll all be one race in some point in the future and my statement was that said one race would be prone to more genetic disorders and more genetic diseases than any other because if you have all the racial groups in your genetic heritage, you risk getting all their genetic and blood disorders too. And then that's how species die. Our species, the human species.

It's not an indictment on mixed race families. People are free to marry whoever they want and have as many kids as they want and do whatever. People who want to marry others for racial reasons are free to do so but that seems to be a stupid reason to marry someone, but you know, idiots are idiots. But having dreams or desires to see a single race human species is genocidal. Not just genocidal to all the races that exist on the planet now, but genocidal for the human species as a whole.

So I'm waiting for your facts and your data in the next post, and thoughtful conversation. Or else, I'm done with you because I don't entertain people who are uninformed and wallow in their ignorance with pride.
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Sorry, what would be the point? You see a future race of sickness and disease because of the mixing of races.. I do not...I think that your hypothesis is ridiculous...
 
Juanita said:
Sorry, what would be the point? You see a future race of sickness and disease because of the mixing of races.. I do not...I think that your hypothesis is ridiculous...
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My hypothesis is based on the scientific reality on how disorders are transmitted. You may not like it, but it's a reality. You're is based on... I guess make-belief.

Anyway, I asked you to provide a meaningful and thoughtful post, you didn't, I'm done with you because you seem incapable of providing the kind of posts that would make this discussions stimulating. Wallow on in your make-belief world.
 
Rainman05 said:
It doesn't change the fact that it's still the elimination of the multiple races that exist today for a single one, so that's genocide of at least 7 major races on the planet. So that's that. I don't share your view of the future of mankind. I don't think it's plausible or realistic and I find it condemnable, but less condemnable then it would be if as a result of that, it would lead to human genocide, as in, all human genocide because of the prevalence of genetic diseases that would exist in people due to the fact that they'd inherit the genetic and other disorders from all major racial groups and then some. But still condemnable.
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:shrug: That's evolution for ya. Life is about change. And change cannot happen if something old is not replaced. And if there isn't change then there is just stagnation. Which has a far more certain outcome than change does. I don't call change genocide. Genocide has a much more meaningful definition and does not occur naturally. Genocide is about one human race wiping out another race. Perhaps the best word for you to use would be extinction?
 
Kal'Stang said:
:shrug: That's evolution for ya. Life is about change. And change cannot happen if something old is not replaced. And if there isn't change then there is just stagnation. Which has a far more certain outcome than change does. I don't call change genocide. Genocide has a much more meaningful definition and does not occur naturally. Genocide is about one human race wiping out another race. Perhaps the best word for you to use would be extinction?
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Ok. You are right, extinction is indeed more appropriate.

And ok, that's your view of the world and I respect the fact that you have and see it the way you do, I just find it condemnable for a host of reasons. Even if we accept your view that in the future, all genetic disorders will be treatable (which is again, something... debatable) it doesn't gell well with the view I have of the world. which is a sort of a star-treky view. In star-trek you have people of all kinds working together to achieve an ideal.

It's not about race or ethnicity, it's about ideas and desires that are shared by all.

It always bugged me that alien races in, even Star Trek, were mostly all the same. All vulcans were alike, you never met a blue vulcan. Why can't there be blue vulcans? So they're all the same and that made humanity even more special in a way.

There was this thread in I think the Europe subforum where it said that some hungarian neo nazi found out he was the jew and converted like, totally. From being an anti-semitic to a pro-jewish anti-nazi something. And in the abstract, you know, that's great. But as I said there, it's kind of disappointing that people put ethnicity or racial identity over ideology. If you're a neo nazi, if something is to change your mind it shouldn't be a racial or ethnic reason. Now ofc, I'm talking as if fascism is ideology that has some merit to it... but you know, you shouldn't be of some ideology or another ideology because you're of X ethnicity. That to me seems disheartening.

This is the thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/190612-nazi-became-jew.html

You know, read what I wrote because I'm not going to repeat myself here.
 
MildSteel said:
Supposedly the black population is growing at a faster rate than whites. Will this mean that blacks will have increased political power in the future? Or is access to the political power structure too controlled by those with wealth for an increasing number of black voters to have a meaningful influence?
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We are already seeing it happen. Same is true of Hispanics. And power? Obama installed ACA. That was something that white Democrats could never find the power to do.
 
Hard Truth said:
good schools

Most public schools in the USA are funded with property taxes. More prosperous school districts are well funded and poor school districts are under-funded. The most significant problem with under-funded schools is that they do not attract and/or retain good teachers. In addition, poor children are more likely to have emotional and mental health issues including PTSD, be poorly nourished, and did not get quality preschool or learning at home. The result is crowded, segregated classrooms filled with too many kids with behavioral issues and learning disabilities and an inexperienced or incompetent teacher trying to teach them with little parental assistance.
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That is only part of the problem. There are plenty of things in place to increase funding and put better teachers in worse areas... and it has no affect. It's culture too... How do you change culture? How do you change how there mom and dad raised them? How their friends are?
 
Kal'Stang said:
It's a non-issue for me. :shrug: I know, you and others would like me to answer in the affirmative or the negative just so I fit in today's popualist catagories. Sorry to burst some bubbles (not really). But I really don't care about race.
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You didn't burst my bubble. That's fine with me. It would have been troubling if you had said it's a bad thing.
 
24107 said:
Why do you refuse to address the 70% birth rate to single moms? Is that because of racism too?
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If you want to talk about it, why don't you start another thread and discuss it?
 
vesper said:
Like I stated earlier I have not seen any data that claims the black population is growing faster. If that is your claim, maybe you should produce the data. But I do have the data that shows that 70% of all black babies born in this country where many are not being provided for by their fathers but by their Uncle Sam.
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I'd like to see that data. Maybe it's true. But if you want to discuss that, why don't you start another thread and do so.
 
Rainman05 said:
There is no racism in scientific data. It's the beauty of scientific data, what the result is, is what the result is. And if you disagree with that, then medical science is racist and then we better all just kill ourselves and get it over with sooner before some virus wipes us all out.
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What scientific research have you participated in such that you are qualified to analyze genetic data to the extent that one could feel confident in your conclusion that mixed race people are more susceptible to disease.

First of all, just what is it that makes a person a mixed race? How do you determine it?

Do you really know anything about statistics? How much of it have you studied?
 
cpgrad08 said:
And that was to do to with skin color because...?
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Because a group of not so bright people totally ignorant of what caused the collapse of Detroit are instructed by Cons/Reps, White supremacists,nationalist, and other assorted fringe lunatics.
 
MildSteel said:
I'd like to see that data. Maybe it's true. But if you want to discuss that, why don't you start another thread and do so.
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I thought you wanted to discuss the voting demographics of the black race. The definition of demographics includes the characteristics and statistics of human population: the characteristics of a human population or part of it, especially its size, growth, density, distribution, and statistics regarding birth, marriage, disease, and death. Women, black and being single mothers represent a huge voting block for the Democrat party. With the rate of out of wedlock births at 70%, it is this voting block that is growing. If you can't see that to be relative, so be it.
 
24107 said:
Burning Down the House: Detroit

Coleman Young, Detroit's first Black mayor, presides over a city his people inherited from white flight and promptly destroyed through neglect, affirmative action, and a general inability to innovate or ability to maintain the city's infrastructure
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Is it possible for you to quote something other than Storm Front rhetoric??
 
MildSteel said:
What scientific research have you participated in such that you are qualified to analyze genetic data to the extent that one could feel confident in your conclusion that mixed race people are more susceptible to disease.

First of all, just what is it that makes a person a mixed race? How do you determine it?

Do you really know anything about statistics? How much of it have you studied?
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Did you read the rest of my posts? The very post you quoted from if you had gone back a few conversations you would have found this post:

Rainman05 said:
Genetic factors predispose metabolic syndrome in mixed races -- ScienceDaily


Info - What is sickle cell disease?

Sickle cell disease is extremely common in Africa and generally speaking people of african descend carry it more so than any other racial group and mixed race babies between any race and an african-descent parent are incredibly likely to get it since again, it's an inherited blood disease, not something you gain, but something you're born with.

And there are a host of other diseases that are more prevalent in every racial group. Whites. Asians. etc. A child of a mixed race breed is likely (not 100% but likely, as in, odds aren't in his favor) to inherit to worst genetic or other disorders from both worlds. So that's why if we'll all be mixed race, we'll all be succeptible to all the genetic disorders known to man. And that is how species go extinct.


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Mixed breed dogs isn't the same as humans. Purebreeds are bread for a specific purpose. Like those dogs that are good at the races. Mix them with another breed and you dumb down their prowess to be that good at the racing thing which is what they're bred to do. You may be making them better in order stuff but that's not what they're there for. They're there to race. It's why it doesn't apply to humans.
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And some more to follow. So read them and after you have, get back to me. That's the scientific data.
 
Rainman05 said:
Did you read the rest of my posts? The very post you quoted from if you had gone back a few conversations you would have found this post:



And some more to follow. So read them and after you have, get back to me. That's the scientific data.
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Did you read my post. I asked what is your scientific background? How much statistics have you studied? Are you qualified to interpret scientific research?

You may have posted some information from an article, but what I have found on here is that people post stuff, and then they really don't have the qualifications to even start to examine the data in a scientific way. They have these white supremacist tendencies that makes them start posting statistics on disease that was supposed to be about discussing black political power. But if you really start to ask them deeper, scientific questions about what they have posted, then they have nothing of value to say.
 
I think right now is about as influential as can be expected. I personally don't think it matters as long as efforts are not made to make it just a little tougher for blacks not to vote in hopes that just enough won't bother and stay home on election day. A better America should benefit everyone regardless of race.

On the issue of voter inclusion, as laws are relaxed with respect to recreational/medicinal drug use, people who lost their right to vote because of crimes related to marijuana should have their civil rights restored. In fact, I don't recall seeing anything in the constitution that says American citizens should permanently lose their civil rights if they're ever convicted of a crime of any type. I do however support voluntarily revoking US citizenship and permanently exiling hardened criminals from America, provided a host country is willing to take them in and the victims do not object lieu of reduced prison terms. It'll save the tax-payers a ton of money, get dangers to society to voluntarily leave forever, create new economic sectors for impoverished third world countries by an influx of monetary gifts of stronger US dollar from American relatives and new tourism industries from Americans who travel to visit their exiled relatives in the third world. Ultimately we'd see a more America-friendly developing world as American culture including interest in American sports, entertainment and money is exported (see Australia). I'm saying people who do not renounce the US citizenship might have a constitutional claim to vote still even behind bars and especially after their sentences have been served.

That all said I think the biggest game-changer in political demographics will be the Hispanic vote, not the black vote. IMHO the GOP has gone out of its way to communicate we consider Hispanics to be a problem. Because the other option is the Democrats their eventual support for the democrats will add more strength to the party for whom most black currently vote, so in a round about way I guess.
 
vesper said:
I thought you wanted to discuss the voting demographics of the black race. The definition of demographics includes the characteristics and statistics of human population: the characteristics of a human population or part of it, especially its size, growth, density, distribution, and statistics regarding birth, marriage, disease, and death. Women, black and being single mothers represent a huge voting block for the Democrat party. With the rate of out of wedlock births at 70%, it is this voting block that is growing. If you can't see that to be relative, so be it.
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The rate is 40% for whites, when I last checked. That is very high. If you want to discuss why there is a rise in out of wedlock births among all races post a thread and discuss it.

But, to give you a chance, what is it specifically about this statistic and how it relates to political power for blacks that you want to point out? Is there a relationship between children born out of wedlock and political power? Is a white child born out of wedlock more likely to have less political power than a white child that is not? I don't know what your point is.
 
lizzie said:
It appears to me that they mostly need parents who are more involved in their children's education, and who push and demand that their children excel.
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I don't agree with you, while that is helpful, that will not solve this problem. The world is high tech now. For example, could you teach your child the simple algebraic technique of completing the square? Is it reasonable to expect that parents will know how to do this?
 
MildSteel said:
. I asked what is your scientific background? How much statistics have you studied? Are you qualified to interpret scientific research?

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Says one whose original posting began with " SUPPOSEDLY the black population is growing at a faster rate than whites".


Can we say "total hypocrisy" kiddies?

the truth of the matter if we are to talk demographics is that it is not the African American segment of the population that has grown rapidly in recent years, but the Latino and Asian.
 
MildSteel said:
I don't agree with you, while that is helpful, that will not solve this problem. The world is high tech now. For example, could you teach your child the simple algebraic technique of completing the square? Is it reasonable to expect that parents will know how to do this?
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Could I teach my child that? Yes. Is it reasonable to expect all parents to? No, but it is reasonable to expect parents to be present, work with the teachers and school system, and push for their children to excel. From what I can see, it is more a home environment problem than a school problem. All thd good schools in the world can't make up for a dysfunctional home environment.
 
MildSteel said:
Did you read my post. I asked what is your scientific background? How much statistics have you studied? Are you qualified to interpret scientific research?

You may have posted some information from an article, but what I have found on here is that people post stuff, and then they really don't have the qualifications to even start to examine the data in a scientific way. They have these white supremacist tendencies that makes them start posting statistics on disease that was supposed to be about discussing black political power. But if you really start to ask them deeper, scientific questions about what they have posted, then they have nothing of value to say.
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So because you are unable to process the information from the links I provided and have a discussion based on the merits of the argument, you're attacking me and trying to have a conversation with me just so.

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Look Midsteel. Are you capable to have a discussion based on the facts? i posted 2 sources that aren't that hard to understand. sciencedaily and a page from an NGO who works to help people with sickle cell disease and other diseases. These are both sources that are easy for everyone to understand, hence, why I didn't post info from medical papers. If they prove too hard for you, I'm sure I can dig up a wikipedia article even though I abhor using them but over there it's really for everyone to understand the basic stuff.

If you're going to doubt what I said or question my understanding, do it based on the comments I made not in asking for me to present to you my diploma. Unless you're offering me a job, then I'll show you my diploma but I already have one and I'm quite satisfied.

The reason I made the comments about diseases is, if you read the conversation I had, was in reply to Kal who posted something about how will races be in the future. If you wish to participate in this discussion, go and read the history of the discussion, don't drop in because I'm not going to have the same discussions over and over just for your benefit especially since I answered most questions on this issue.
 
Rainman05 said:
My hypothesis is based on the scientific reality on how disorders are transmitted. You may not like it, but it's a reality. You're is based on... I guess make-belief.

Anyway, I asked you to provide a meaningful and thoughtful post, you didn't, I'm done with you because you seem incapable of providing the kind of posts that would make this discussions stimulating. Wallow on in your make-belief world.
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So make it easy, post the medical journals that support your hypothesis?...

Genocide of who????...that word is often thrown around by people who aren't very bright and usually are crowing about some perceived superiority.
Not saying that you are one of those nutbags so please let's see the scientific proof you have so that it can be discussed?
 
reconmark said:
So make it easy, post the medical journals that support your hypothesis?...

Genocide of who????...that word is often thrown around by people who aren't very bright and usually are crowing about some perceived superiority.
Not saying that you are one of those nutbags so please let's see the scientific proof you have so that it can be discussed?
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You're another one of them aren't you. One of those people who pops in, leaves a comment tainted by the stench of underinformation and ignorance and doesn't bother to read the full of the conversation.

If you backtrack, just a bit, it literally takes you 10s, you will find this post, which I make over and over again because it's a good post with sources and information that completely reinforces what I say.
Rainman05 said:
Genetic factors predispose metabolic syndrome in mixed races -- ScienceDaily


Info - What is sickle cell disease?

Sickle cell disease is extremely common in Africa and generally speaking people of african descend carry it more so than any other racial group and mixed race babies between any race and an african-descent parent are incredibly likely to get it since again, it's an inherited blood disease, not something you gain, but something you're born with.

And there are a host of other diseases that are more prevalent in every racial group. Whites. Asians. etc. A child of a mixed race breed is likely (not 100% but likely, as in, odds aren't in his favor) to inherit to worst genetic or other disorders from both worlds. So that's why if we'll all be mixed race, we'll all be succeptible to all the genetic disorders known to man. And that is how species go extinct.


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Mixed breed dogs isn't the same as humans. Purebreeds are bread for a specific purpose. Like those dogs that are good at the races. Mix them with another breed and you dumb down their prowess to be that good at the racing thing which is what they're bred to do. You may be making them better in order stuff but that's not what they're there for. They're there to race. It's why it doesn't apply to humans.
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And if you go to that comment and see where that comment is from you can see why i talked about dogs there. Click on that little blue >> after my name in the comment to take u back to the comment original position and then backtrack and follow the conversation. I'm not going to repeat everything I say just for your benefit. Either wallow in ignorance or read and become enlightened. If your next reply to me is not well informed and based on the merits of the argument I posted and to counter the sources I posted, I'm not going to engage in the discussion further. You're #4 so far in this topic who are complete luddites.
 
Juanita said:
If I pranced around naked and pooping, I would poop on you...you have "no" standards...
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Careful now...he may be into that sort of thing...
 
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