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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Supposedly the black population is growing at a faster rate than whites. Will this mean that blacks will have increased political power in the future? Or is access to the political power structure too controlled by those with wealth for an increasing number of black voters to have a meaningful influence?

    The minority vote is becoming a larger and more important demo for campaigning, especially the Latino vote. The goal is to get out the vote with any group, because no matter how many there are, if they don't get to the polls nobody can capitalize from it. The youth and female vote is also becoming a more important factor, while the older population typically a larger percentage of voters for their size, could start to be marginalized if their main party of preference becomes more fragmented.

    As far as the wealthy controlling the political power, they essentially create the candidates that will be available by who they'll support. Without their backing in today's mega money environment, no candidate has a prayer without them.
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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Blacks already have significant political power within the democratic party, look how well that has worked out for them. The mistake inherent in your question is that political power somehow equates to economic power. If blacks really wished to enhance their political power they would stop giving it so freely to one political party. As it stands now, the democrats take their votes for granted and the republicans don't court them because they know they wont get their votes.
    Maybe if the GOP gave blacks a REASON to vote for them? Or is that too much to ask?

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It's people like you who are softly pro-genocide. Only you market it as a good thing. like it's a soft drink. Drink Geno Cider. It's good for you!

    Not to mention that if that happens, we're all going to be a bunch of disease-ridden runts because most people of mixed racial groups inherit the disease susceptibility of both races. Not exactly good for the species.
    By the time there is no white race or black race or any sort of "seperate" (<---and I say that with derision) race they'll be able to genetically manipulate gene's. Which means bye bye genetic diseases. They're already working on animals with some success. Such as... Yeah yeah, I know...that's a mosquito and they're far less complicated than humans. Of course, considering that 100 years ago no one could even view gene's much less map them I'd say we're doing just fine.

    As for being "pro-genocide", it's not. It's a simple fact of life. Am I "pro-air" because I need it to breath? Nope. It's just a simple fact of life. Absolutely nothing can be done to change or halt that fact. You'd probably have more success at stopping the sun from rising in the east.
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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    By the time there is no white race or black race or any sort of "seperate" (<---and I say that with derision) race they'll be able to genetically manipulate gene's. Which means bye bye genetic diseases. They're already working on animals with some success. Such as... Yeah yeah, I know...that's a mosquito and they're far less complicated than humans. Of course, considering that 100 years ago no one could even view gene's much less map them I'd say we're doing just fine.

    As for being "pro-genocide", it's not. It's a simple fact of life. Am I "pro-air" because I need it to breath? Nope. It's just a simple fact of life. Absolutely nothing can be done to change or halt that fact. You'd probably have more success at stopping the sun from rising in the east.

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    By the time there is no white race or black race or any sort of "seperate" (<---and I say that with derision) race they'll be able to genetically manipulate gene's. Which means bye bye genetic diseases. They're already working on animals with some success. Such as... Yeah yeah, I know...that's a mosquito and they're far less complicated than humans. Of course, considering that 100 years ago no one could even view gene's much less map them I'd say we're doing just fine.

    As for being "pro-genocide", it's not. It's a simple fact of life. Am I "pro-air" because I need it to breath? Nope. It's just a simple fact of life. Absolutely nothing can be done to change or halt that fact. You'd probably have more success at stopping the sun from rising in the east.
    Yes, I am quite aware of the genetic modifications done on animals and even on the amazing work that Bill Gates is doing with his organization in finding a cure for malaria.
    There are also experiments on mice that have made them faster and more enduring and sheep that are more intelligent.

    However. The human genome is far, far more complex and intertwined. For simple things, like Huntington' disease or such (could be another disease that I'm referring to), they are more easy to treat because they mostly result from an isolated gene that is "damaged". But the way genes are modified is with viruses. And when you work with viruses, there's always a big hefty potential for backfires. Even the most optimistic of genetisists are quite skeptic in that we would ever master our own genetic code. I mean, they may be wrong, you raise a very good point with the 100 years thing. But you know. Indeed, all bets are on at this point and the future looks hopeful from a technological standpoint.

    It doesn't change the fact that it's still the elimination of the multiple races that exist today for a single one, so that's genocide of at least 7 major races on the planet. So that's that. I don't share your view of the future of mankind. I don't think it's plausible or realistic and I find it condemnable, but less condemnable then it would be if as a result of that, it would lead to human genocide, as in, all human genocide because of the prevalence of genetic diseases that would exist in people due to the fact that they'd inherit the genetic and other disorders from all major racial groups and then some. But still condemnable.

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Juanita. I am not your lapdog to fetch statistics for you at will. I don't have time to entertain your ignorance. If you want to prove me wrong, prove me wrong with facts. Bring your own reputable sources to the table. I brought you 2 showing that there are genetic diseases that are prevalent in one race and not another and I gave a random example of sickle cell disease and how it is affecting people and mostly people of african descent. There are other races that have sickle cell disease but it's way less common than the ratio there is among african people and their descendants. I could have brought stuff like Tay Sachs or others but that would be useless since nobody can repute the first point. There is no need to bring more ammo to the fight when 1 bullet is enough to poke a hole in stupid rhetoric.

    There is no racism in scientific data. It's the beauty of scientific data, what the result is, is what the result is. And if you disagree with that, then medical science is racist and then we better all just kill ourselves and get it over with sooner before some virus wipes us all out.

    What Kalthag said is that we'll all be one race in some point in the future and my statement was that said one race would be prone to more genetic disorders and more genetic diseases than any other because if you have all the racial groups in your genetic heritage, you risk getting all their genetic and blood disorders too. And then that's how species die. Our species, the human species.

    It's not an indictment on mixed race families. People are free to marry whoever they want and have as many kids as they want and do whatever. People who want to marry others for racial reasons are free to do so but that seems to be a stupid reason to marry someone, but you know, idiots are idiots. But having dreams or desires to see a single race human species is genocidal. Not just genocidal to all the races that exist on the planet now, but genocidal for the human species as a whole.

    So I'm waiting for your facts and your data in the next post, and thoughtful conversation. Or else, I'm done with you because I don't entertain people who are uninformed and wallow in their ignorance with pride.


    Sorry, what would be the point? You see a future race of sickness and disease because of the mixing of races.. I do not...I think that your hypothesis is ridiculous...

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Sorry, what would be the point? You see a future race of sickness and disease because of the mixing of races.. I do not...I think that your hypothesis is ridiculous...
    My hypothesis is based on the scientific reality on how disorders are transmitted. You may not like it, but it's a reality. You're is based on... I guess make-belief.

    Anyway, I asked you to provide a meaningful and thoughtful post, you didn't, I'm done with you because you seem incapable of providing the kind of posts that would make this discussions stimulating. Wallow on in your make-belief world.

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It doesn't change the fact that it's still the elimination of the multiple races that exist today for a single one, so that's genocide of at least 7 major races on the planet. So that's that. I don't share your view of the future of mankind. I don't think it's plausible or realistic and I find it condemnable, but less condemnable then it would be if as a result of that, it would lead to human genocide, as in, all human genocide because of the prevalence of genetic diseases that would exist in people due to the fact that they'd inherit the genetic and other disorders from all major racial groups and then some. But still condemnable.
    That's evolution for ya. Life is about change. And change cannot happen if something old is not replaced. And if there isn't change then there is just stagnation. Which has a far more certain outcome than change does. I don't call change genocide. Genocide has a much more meaningful definition and does not occur naturally. Genocide is about one human race wiping out another race. Perhaps the best word for you to use would be extinction?
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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That's evolution for ya. Life is about change. And change cannot happen if something old is not replaced. And if there isn't change then there is just stagnation. Which has a far more certain outcome than change does. I don't call change genocide. Genocide has a much more meaningful definition and does not occur naturally. Genocide is about one human race wiping out another race. Perhaps the best word for you to use would be extinction?
    Ok. You are right, extinction is indeed more appropriate.

    And ok, that's your view of the world and I respect the fact that you have and see it the way you do, I just find it condemnable for a host of reasons. Even if we accept your view that in the future, all genetic disorders will be treatable (which is again, something... debatable) it doesn't gell well with the view I have of the world. which is a sort of a star-treky view. In star-trek you have people of all kinds working together to achieve an ideal.

    It's not about race or ethnicity, it's about ideas and desires that are shared by all.

    It always bugged me that alien races in, even Star Trek, were mostly all the same. All vulcans were alike, you never met a blue vulcan. Why can't there be blue vulcans? So they're all the same and that made humanity even more special in a way.

    There was this thread in I think the Europe subforum where it said that some hungarian neo nazi found out he was the jew and converted like, totally. From being an anti-semitic to a pro-jewish anti-nazi something. And in the abstract, you know, that's great. But as I said there, it's kind of disappointing that people put ethnicity or racial identity over ideology. If you're a neo nazi, if something is to change your mind it shouldn't be a racial or ethnic reason. Now ofc, I'm talking as if fascism is ideology that has some merit to it... but you know, you shouldn't be of some ideology or another ideology because you're of X ethnicity. That to me seems disheartening.

    This is the thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...ecame-jew.html

    You know, read what I wrote because I'm not going to repeat myself here.

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    Re: Will Changing Voter Demographics Mean Increased Political Power For Blacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Supposedly the black population is growing at a faster rate than whites. Will this mean that blacks will have increased political power in the future? Or is access to the political power structure too controlled by those with wealth for an increasing number of black voters to have a meaningful influence?
    We are already seeing it happen. Same is true of Hispanics. And power? Obama installed ACA. That was something that white Democrats could never find the power to do.

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