Are Republicans Exploiting Benghazi?

Jango said:

Ah, the go-to-the-well rhetoric: "to prevent _________ from ever happening again."

Someone should make a Youtube video of all the times someone in the government has said that. Probably best to break it up into several parts because that video would be looonnnggg.

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these benghazi conspiracys sound awfully familiar to 9/11 truther conspiracies.

pbrauer said:

I seriously doubt the Republicans who keep harping about Benghazi care about the four people who died September 11, 2012. They are in my opinion using their deaths for political gain, they want to use this tragedy to weaken the chances of Hillary Clinton should she decide to run for president in 2014. They misquote what Clinton said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Jan. 23, 2013, they say she said "What difference does it make?" Here is what she actually said:

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."​

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Are the Republicans trying to exploit Benghazi for political gain? My answer at this point in time would be, sure they are. Now back in 2012 when Benghazi happened, do I believe the White House spin machine which was campaigning on Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, tried to blame the attack on protesters who were mad about a video instead of admitting the attack was a pre-planned well organized attack by terrorist? Yep I believe that too.

Call me a cynic, but when it comes to winning elections both parties view anything and everything fair game in their search for votes. There was a time when domestic politics ended at the water’s edge. I much prefer that era to today’s.

I am in full agreement with Hillary on her statement: “It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again,”

All the rest of this stuff is just politics of today as normal. I don’t pay any attention to it.

APACHERAT said:

" What diffrence does it make " ?

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The American people will let you know in 6 months, after four GOP House Committees keep wasting your taxpayer dollars .

mtm1963 said:

when you have to use the freedom of information act to get documents the public is entitled to see,
something doesn't appear to be right with those who have the documents.

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Is that like using the 5th amendment?
And do GOPs only get to do that also ?

Is a frog's ass water tight?
Does a bear defecate in the woods?

Dude, whatcha got this week for faux?
Voting on contempt for Lerner.
The American people show their contempt for this House every day with their pitiful approval ratings .

APACHERAT said:

Dude, that was six post ago.

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cpgrad08 said:

Just like how Democrats exploited the whole Iraq war and their were no WMDs thing.

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Were there any WMDs, or did they get moved to syria?

Point being that all political parties do it, it is politics after all.

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Did you just directly admit that this fourth new Committee is just poliltics, like the rest of it ?

NIMBY said:

Were there any WMDs, or did they get moved to syria?

Did you just directly admit that this fourth new Committee is just poliltics, like the rest of it ?

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Nope never just all politics, but doesn't mean parties won't exploit for political gain.

Can you explain why I$$A subpeonaed a very busy Kerry without given him the common decency to ask about his calendar?
Why do you suppose issa opposed the subpeona of SoS C. Rice in 2007 as ranking minority GOP on his committee?

ISSA will rue the day he finally gets his lunch handed to him by the SoS.
For now, Kerry will be in Mexico on subpeona day, along with doing adult things, like trying to keep the World community from tearing apart .

ttwtt78640 said:

Of course, the republicants are exploiting it for political purposes. The fact is that Benghazi always was exploited; initially by the demorats. The demorat Benghazi spin (exploitation) was to bolster Obama's "UBL is dead, GM is alive and Al Qaeda is on the run" slogan. The curious use of Rice to prevent Hillary from having to initiate the spin did not allow Hillary to escape completely. So the republicants are using it to associate Hillary's involvement with Obama's lying, just as the demorats are using bridgegate to pound Christie.

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NIMBY said:

Can you explain why I$$A subpeonaed a very busy Kerry without given him the common decency to ask about his calendar?
Why do you suppose issa opposed the subpeona of SoS C. Rice in 2007 as ranking minority GOP on his committee?

ISSA will rue the day he finally gets his lunch handed to him by the SoS.
For now, Kerry will be in Mexico on subpeona day, along with doing adult things, like trying to keep the World community from tearing apart .

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Rest assured that Kerry, like Hillary, will be either very busy or sick on whatever dates Issa comes up with. Do you consider it standard practice to ask subpoenaed (is that even a word?) witnesses what dates are convenient for them and to schedule hearings accordingly?

NIMBY said:

The American people will let you know in 6 months, after four GOP House Committees keep wasting your taxpayer dollars .

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That's right. I'm one of the 48% who actually pay individual income taxes.

NIMBY said:

Were there any WMDs, or did they get moved to syria?

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Even Saddam Hussein was convinced he may have still had WMD's.

Saddam Hussein Talks to the FBI

As for WMD found during the Iraq war, liberals said what was found didn't count. Mustard and Sarin was found in Iraq.
www.un.org/depts/unmovic/new/.../s-2006-701-munitions.pdf

If you half a brain its pretty easy to realize that they are absolutely trying to exploit it. Since they cant exploit the ACA anymore they moved on to their next best option (they apparently have little to no "next best options)

APACHERAT said:

" What difference does it make " ?

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I got your difference right here:

APACHERAT said:

Should I really take your word for it that C-SPAN is right wing ?

You no longer have any credibility making that claim.

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You incessantly and dishonestly snip Hillary's quote, ripping it from context in order to score cheap partisan points. It's painfully dishonest.

Phys251 said:

I got your difference right here:

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Most of those you listed were car bombings outside of U.S. Embassies where the U.S. Government has no soverignty over and they weren't Americans who were killed. Blowing up a bomb down the street from an Embassy isn't an attack on an Embassy.

Libs tried this over and over in the past but never mention which U.S. Embassies perimeters were actually breached and the Embassy buildings were attackers were able to enter the Embassy. They don't want you to know.

You might want to do some real research without using a political bias website and use a credible source and get back to us and post which Embassies they were and under whose administration. I don't think you'll be surprised or maybe you will.

The thing is, Neither the Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton or Bush 43 administrations ever lied to the American people and blamed an attack on a U.S. Embassy or outside of an Embassy on a youtube video.

Kobie said:

You incessantly and dishonestly snip Hillary's quote, ripping it from context in order to score cheap partisan points. It's painfully dishonest.

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Get use to it "dude," "what diffrence does it make"

APACHERAT said:

Get use to it "dude," "what diffrence does it make"

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Good to know that you have no intention of being honest in your debates in the upcoming months.

Kobie said:

Good to know that you have no intention of being honest in your debates in the upcoming months.

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At this point, what diffrence does it make ?

FYI: There will not be any debating on the DP, just a whole lot of flaming.

You know quite well that only two people are capable of debating an issue. Four at the max.

pbrauer said:

I seriously doubt the Republicans who keep harping about Benghazi care about the four people who died September 11, 2012. They are in my opinion using their deaths for political gain, they want to use this tragedy to weaken the chances of Hillary Clinton should she decide to run for president in 2014. They misquote what Clinton said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Jan. 23, 2013, they say she said "What difference does it make?" Here is what she actually said:

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Actually the below indicates that Republicans are accurately utilizing the what difference does it make quote, as the "what differences does it make" is clearly used in reference to the preceding thought.

Do Republicans care about the fact that our administration abandoned our people on the ground and then lied to the American people (including the families of the victims. to their face) about the nature of their death in order to win an election? I'd say probably. Are the party leadership more willing to pursue it because it also demonstrates that the administration is corrupt? Probably also that too.

Me personally? I was pissed off then, and I'm pissed off now.

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."​

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This is one of the dumbest logic strings I've seen from a senior policymaker, bar Joe Biden, who can't really be held responsible for what the squirrels in his head tell him to say. Hey Hillary, guess what? KNOWING HOW IT HAPPENED IS SORT OF RELEVANT TO FIGURING OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

Phys251 said:

I got your difference right here:

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APACHERAT said:

Most of those you listed were car bombings outside of U.S. Embassies where the U.S. Government has no soverignty over and they weren't Americans who were killed. Blowing up a bomb down the street from an Embassy isn't an attack on an Embassy.

Libs tried this over and over in the past but never mention which U.S. Embassies perimeters were actually breached and the Embassy buildings were attackers were able to enter the Embassy. They don't want you to know.

You might want to do some real research without using a political bias website and use a credible source and get back to us and post which Embassies they were and under whose administration. I don't think you'll be surprised or maybe you will.

The thing is, Neither the Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton or Bush 43 administrations ever lied to the American people and blamed an attack on a U.S. Embassy or outside of an Embassy on a youtube video.

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As a single example, that Sept 12 2006 attack on our Embassy in Syria in which "four were killed":

...Four armed men attacked the U.S. Embassy on Tuesday, killing one Syrian security guard and wounding several people in what authorities said was an attempt by Islamic guerrillas to storm the diplomatic compound.

Just after 10 a.m., gunmen yelling " Allahu akbar " -- "God is great" -- opened fire on the Syrian security officers who guard the outside of the embassy in Damascus's Rawda district, witnesses said. The attackers threw grenades at the compound, according to witnesses, and shot at the guards with assault rifles during the 15- to 20-minute clash, which left three of the gunmen dead and the fourth reportedly wounded.

In addition to the slain security officer, another guard was wounded, along with a Chinese diplomat and several civilians, including seven Syrian workers and two Iraqis. No Americans were wounded, the embassy said in a statement....

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So... the "four dead" were one Syrian security officer and three of the attackers.

Meaning that you are either claiming or didn't know that someone else had conned you into arguing that we should be upset that the attackers died. :lol:

cpwill said:

As a single example, that Sept 12 2006 attack on our Embassy in Syria in which "four were killed":




So... the "four dead" were one Syrian security officer and three of the attackers.

Meaning that you are either claiming or didn't know that someone else had conned you into arguing that we should be upset that the attackers died. :lol:

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Then you have the first incident Phys251 listed, the Consulate in Kolkata. Strange that we don't even have an U.S. Consulate in Kolkata.

>" Four police constables and a private security guard were killed and 20 other people injured when, on January 22, 2002, gunmen attacked an American cultural centre in Kolkata, India. The centre houses a library, the American embassy's public affairs office, a press section and a cultural wing.

Two motorcycle-borne attackers, draped in shawls, sped up to the American Centre building at about 6:15 IST, refusing to stop at checkpoints and began shooting at police guards from an AK-47 assault rifle who returned fire. Four of the dead were Kolkata police constables while the one of the dead belonged to a private security agency Group Four. The constables killed in the attack were identified as Pijush Sarker, Ujjal Burman, Suresh Hembram and Anup Mondal and belonged to the 5th battalion of Kolkata Armed Police.

Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack. A Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI) member, Farhan Malik owned responsibility and said the attack was in protest against "the evil empire of America", while another person claiming to be a member of Asif Raza Commandos, a gang with ties to radical Islamic groups, claimed responsibility. Malik was also wanted in connection with a case of kidnapping a Kolkatta shoe baron Partha Paritam Roy Barman, who was later released on a ransom of 37.5 million..."<

2002 attack on American cultural centre in Kolkata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lets not forget the last incident PHYS251 listed. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen in 2008.

>"The attack began at 09:15 a.m. local time (06:15 a.m. UTC) when attackers dressed as policemen, armed with rocket-propelled grenades, automatic rifles, grenades, and car bombs, attacked the outer security ring at the entrance of the main gate from a car. The embassy, located in the Dhahr Himyar district of Sana'a, is located 250 meters (820 feet) from this security entrance. A 20-minute battle ensued between the terrorists and the embassy security force, during which some embassy security forces were fired upon by snipers from across the road. In the midst of the battle, a car bomb exploded at a second security ring of concrete blocks in an unsuccessful attempt to blow a hole in the wall. Up to five explosions may have occurred during the attack.

Six members of the Yemeni security forces, six attackers (one of whom wore an explosives belt), and six civilians were killed in the attack. Though no Americans working at the embassy were injured or harmed during the attack."<

2008 attack on the American Embassy in Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

APACHERAT said:

Most of those you listed were car bombings outside of U.S. Embassies where the U.S. Government has no soverignty over and they weren't Americans who were killed. Blowing up a bomb down the street from an Embassy isn't an attack on an Embassy.

Libs tried this over and over in the past but never mention which U.S. Embassies perimeters were actually breached and the Embassy buildings were attackers were able to enter the Embassy. They don't want you to know.

You might want to do some real research without using a political bias website and use a credible source and get back to us and post which Embassies they were and under whose administration. I don't think you'll be surprised or maybe you will.

The thing is, Neither the Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton or Bush 43 administrations ever lied to the American people and blamed an attack on a U.S. Embassy or outside of an Embassy on a youtube video.

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cpwill said:

As a single example, that Sept 12 2006 attack on our Embassy in Syria in which "four were killed":




So... the "four dead" were one Syrian security officer and three of the attackers.

Meaning that you are either claiming or didn't know that someone else had conned you into arguing that we should be upset that the attackers died. :lol:

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APACHERAT said:

No.

The Obama administration exploited Youtube.

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Direct hit.

ttwtt78640 said:

Rest assured that Kerry, like Hillary, will be either very busy or sick on whatever dates Issa comes up with. Do you consider it standard practice to ask subpoenaed (is that even a word?) witnesses what dates are convenient for them and to schedule hearings accordingly?

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Should Kerry cancel his already confirmed trip to Mexico for another kangaroo court?
Issa will get his clock cleaned soon enough by Kerry.

Btw, I see people posting about 13 Benghazis for Bush.
That means we'd need 52 separate committees in comparison to the House.

Since Mitch is just filibustering, time for the Senate to get investigating .