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I am curious about a few things, and wish to poll our membership for enlightenment.
Well......I was going to post on this thread but then I read this......so now I've got nothing.You forgot "I'm under 40 and I'd like the party to actually be half-way fiscally conservative instead of corporate cronies and I'd like them to actually respect individual liberty instead of just saying they do then violating just about every right we have."
As it stands there's no good reason for the republican party to exist. If we want corporatism and massive spending the democrats already have us covered. So the only unique thing you bring to the table is war mongering and liberty violations poorly disguised as religious actions.
The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
Just because your party is drifting away from wanting to deny rights to gays doesn't make them suddenly libertarianesque; it just makes them slightly less childish and a little more constitutional.
Where does the Constitution mention gay marriage?
Exactly. Where does the constitution enumerate the government with the power to negate contracts made between two sovereign citizens? If you find it, let me know.
(And FYI, the supreme court ruled 13 times that marriage is a fundamental right.)
It seems that the republicants, like the demorats, have decided that the constitutional enumerated powers are "outdated". It seems that the importance of a matter (issue?) now can (and will) be used to elevate that into a federal government power. Education, medical care and income redistribution are not federal gov't powers granted by the constitution yet both parties try to pretend that they are. The SCOTUS allows new unconstitutional laws, like PPACA, to stand (slide?) based largely on the excuse that since they were passed at the federal level then they must be OK.
Yes, the Republicans are little better in the Democrats in that the Republican Party is just as populated by the permanent political class who are in it to increase their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth as are the Democrats.
The ONLY thing the Republicans have going for them is that they need the vote of the libertarians (little "L")/classical liberals/consevatives and therefore they at least have to go through some of the motions to get those votes. As such they do somewhat less damage to liberty, common sense, and the American way so to speak and are less destructive to the concepts the Founders gave us than are the Democrats. At the very least they are taking us to hell in a hand basket at a somewhat slower pace than are the Democrats, and that might buy us some time to turn it around.
We libertarians/classical liberals/constitutional conservatives are a dying breed though, I fear, and I do believe we are the last generation that has any chance to turn it around.
The bottom line is that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
But to fail to vote for the 'lesser evil' when the alternate is that the greater evil will prevail is in itself evil. Most especially when it is done out just to make ourselves feel better.
But we should all be rallying behind groups like the Tea Party, 9/12ers, tax reformers, etc. and refusing to allow the existing permanent political class in Washington or the media or the self-serving beneficiaries of that political class to demonize and marginalize them. They really are our only hope to turn it around.
How can people that claim they want a small government support the things social conservatives do? Sorry, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For that matter, how can conservatives support the military complex, while at the same time wanting a small government? Again, there is no sense to it.
The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
Define "small government".
For how can the leftist be opposed to the violence of war and conscription while at the same time supporting the violence of taxation and government control? And how can the rightist trumpet his devotion to private property and free enterprise while at the same time favoring war, conscription, and the outlawing of noninvasive activities and practices that he deems immoral?
The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
The bottom line is that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Becoming? It's totally degenerate. The neo-cons are just religiously fanatic liberals. There are no conservative parties in the U.S. anymore.
But every party out there is evil, including the Libertarians. You cannot vote for any professional politician and not vote for evil.
There is nothing except tradition to dictate that candidates must be professional politicians. One of the most ridiculous things about our gov't, especially at the federal level, is the extremely modest pay that these positions offer. A medical specialist makes more money and does not have to spend a year (or more) campaigning to get their job, which often requires a second home as well.
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The money in politics is not from direct compensation so it tends to attract hose that already have lots of money and/or will use that "public service" position to get it "on the side". The big money in politics is simply required to campaign for a job that pays poorly compared to its demands for time and travel.
I am curious about a few things, and wish to poll our membership for enlightenment.