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    5 14.71%
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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I agree with you, the religious aren't doing the Republicans any favors today, but we're still left, not with a battle between the conservatives and the liberals, but between the far-right hyper-religious liberals and the far-left hyper-social-justice liberals. Conservatives are left out in the cold.
    Thanks for demonstrating that you haven't the foggiest idea of what a conservative is.

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    Re: For Republicans

    I agree with them in principle on certain issues (not in action) but they lost me completely with the social conservatism.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh, I agree with you, the religious aren't doing the Republicans any favors today, but we're still left, not with a battle between the conservatives and the liberals, but between the far-right hyper-religious liberals and the far-left hyper-social-justice liberals. Conservatives are left out in the cold.
    I would say true conservatives are that want to keep government out of the social arena. It does seem religious conservatives if the term conservative really applies to them want to utilize government to enforce their moral beliefs on others. That in my opinion is more statist and as you stated, more a liberal philosophy to use the force of government to correct social wrongs as they see it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say true conservatives are that want to keep government out of the social arena. It does seem religious conservatives if the term conservative really applies to them want to utilize government to enforce their moral beliefs on others. That in my opinion is more statist and as you stated, more a liberal philosophy to use the force of government to correct social wrongs as they see it.
    Social issues belong in the realm of society, not government. Society changes constantly and as it does, the social position of society does as well. Conservatism isn't about pushing a particular social agenda on society, in fact, that's what the liberals do, they want to force everyone into a particular mold, whereas conservatives are about leaving people alone to do what they want, within a particular range of norms. Instead of the people telling the government, through their elected representatives, what they want to be permissible, the GOP, like the Democrats, want to force a particular political ideology on the people. It isn't bottom up, it's top down.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Social issues belong in the realm of society, not government. Society changes constantly and as it does, the social position of society does as well. Conservatism isn't about pushing a particular social agenda on society, in fact, that's what the liberals do, they want to force everyone into a particular mold, whereas conservatives are about leaving people alone to do what they want, within a particular range of norms. Instead of the people telling the government, through their elected representatives, what they want to be permissible, the GOP, like the Democrats, want to force a particular political ideology on the people. It isn't bottom up, it's top down.
    Exactly, I couldn't say it better myself. Both parties have their political agenda and you are correct, both parties try to force their agenda down the American people's throats. I am pretty much a laissez faire type of guy. I really do not care what someone thinks, does, acts, etc. as long as he isn't harming someone else.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, I couldn't say it better myself. Both parties have their political agenda and you are correct, both parties try to force their agenda down the American people's throats. I am pretty much a laissez faire type of guy. I really do not care what someone thinks, does, acts, etc. as long as he isn't harming someone else.
    It's not just both parties, it's all parties. The Libertarians have an agenda. The Constitutional Party has an agenda. The Communists have an agenda. We don't have a government where people with different viewpoints join together to solve the problems facing the nation, it's all about different groups fighting for their way and only their way and how to best screw over all the other parties and people who don't fall lockstep into their camp. It's not about compromise and representing the people, it's about grabbing as much power for your side as you can.
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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say true conservatives are that want to keep government out of the social arena. It does seem religious conservatives if the term conservative really applies to them want to utilize government to enforce their moral beliefs on others. That in my opinion is more statist and as you stated, more a liberal philosophy to use the force of government to correct social wrongs as they see it.
    You realize that your understanding of the word conservative is contrary to how it's historically understood, and is thus in contradiction to the very definition of conservatism, right?

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not just both parties, it's all parties. The Libertarians have an agenda. The Constitutional Party has an agenda. The Communists have an agenda. We don't have a government where people with different viewpoints join together to solve the problems facing the nation, it's all about different groups fighting for their way and only their way and how to best screw over all the other parties and people who don't fall lockstep into their camp. It's not about compromise and representing the people, it's about grabbing as much power for your side as you can.
    Yes, exactly. Our founding fathers and the framers warned us about political parties, they called them factions in their day. They were afraid once political parties came into being, those political parties would put the need of the party before the need of the nation. It would be loyalty to party and not loyalty to country. For the good of the party and not the people. Yep.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You realize that your understanding of the word conservative is contrary to how it's historically understood, and is thus in contradiction to the very definition of conservatism, right?
    Understood from your perspective. But not always. I consider myself a Goldwater Conservative, pretty much along the lines of a traditional conservative. The last true traditional conservative president this nation had was Calvin Coolidge. The three tenets of tradition conservatism is 1. Avoiding foreign entanglements, some would call this isolationism. I call it keeping our nose out of other countries business. Senator Robert Taft of Ohio was the last well known Republican to vie for the 1952 presidential nomination that believed in this. If you remember it was the Republicans who kept us out of the League of nations that Wilson wanted us to join and Truman who got us into the United Nations. We do not need to be the policeman of the world.
    2. Fiscal Responsibility - basically a balanced budget, not spending more than one takes in. If there is to be a deficit, one either rasies taxes, cuts spending or both. This mantra of only cutting spending kind of flies in the face of fiscal responsibility.

    3. Keeping government out of a Citzens private business and lives. Small government. Minimum government regulations and mandates on businesses, only those that are required and staying out of the social arena. Basically let any individual lead the life they want as long as they are not harming others.

    This is/was traditional conservatism. Eisenhower lead the Republican Party away from tenet number one. Reagan from tenet number 2 and the religious right away from tenet number 3. Abet most Republicans today still talk about less regulations and mandates, but they seem to want to regulate an individual social life via government fiat.

    Now this is the way I see it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Understood from your perspective. But not always. I consider myself a Goldwater Conservative, pretty much along the lines of a traditional conservative. The last true traditional conservative president this nation had was Calvin Coolidge. The three tenets of tradition conservatism is 1. Avoiding foreign entanglements, some would call this isolationism. I call it keeping our nose out of other countries business. Senator Robert Taft of Ohio was the last well known Republican to vie for the 1952 presidential nomination that believed in this. If you remember it was the Republicans who kept us out of the League of nations that Wilson wanted us to join and Truman who got us into the United Nations. We do not need to be the policeman of the world.
    2. Fiscal Responsibility - basically a balanced budget, not spending more than one takes in. If there is to be a deficit, one either rasies taxes, cuts spending or both. This mantra of only cutting spending kind of flies in the face of fiscal responsibility.

    3. Keeping government out of a Citzens private business and lives. Small government. Minimum government regulations and mandates on businesses, only those that are required and staying out of the social arena. Basically let any individual lead the life they want as long as they are not harming others.

    This is/was traditional conservatism. Eisenhower lead the Republican Party away from tenet number one. Reagan from tenet number 2 and the religious right away from tenet number 3. Abet most Republicans today still talk about less regulations and mandates, but they seem to want to regulate an individual social life via government fiat.

    Now this is the way I see it.
    Well that's not traditional conservatism, that's modern conservatism. Traditional conservatism is the people who sat on the right of the National Assembly in revolutionary France, they certainly wouldn't have believed that the government should stay out of social issues.

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