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  • I am over 40, and feel I no longer fit in.

    6 17.65%
  • I am under 40, and It's a great fit.

    2 5.88%
  • I expect the party to become dominant again.

    5 14.71%
  • I am worried about the next few election cycles.

    7 20.59%
  • Who cares...Obama is Kenyan.

    4 11.76%
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    13 38.24%
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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It seems that the republicants, like the demorats, have decided that the constitutional enumerated powers are "outdated". It seems that the importance of a matter (issue?) now can (and will) be used to elevate that into a federal government power. Education, medical care and income redistribution are not federal gov't powers granted by the constitution yet both parties try to pretend that they are. The SCOTUS allows new unconstitutional laws, like PPACA, to stand (slide?) based largely on the excuse that since they were passed at the federal level then they must be OK.
    Yes, the Republicans are little better in the Democrats in that the Republican Party is just as populated by the permanent political class who are in it to increase their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth as are the Democrats.

    The ONLY thing the Republicans have going for them is that they need the vote of the libertarians (little "L")/classical liberals/consevatives and therefore they at least have to go through some of the motions to get those votes. As such they do somewhat less damage to liberty, common sense, and the American way so to speak and are less destructive to the concepts the Founders gave us than are the Democrats. At the very least they are taking us to hell in a hand basket at a somewhat slower pace than are the Democrats, and that might buy us some time to turn it around.

    We libertarians/classical liberals/constitutional conservatives are a dying breed though, I fear, and I do believe we are the last generation that has any chance to turn it around.
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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, the Republicans are little better in the Democrats in that the Republican Party is just as populated by the permanent political class who are in it to increase their own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth as are the Democrats.

    The ONLY thing the Republicans have going for them is that they need the vote of the libertarians (little "L")/classical liberals/consevatives and therefore they at least have to go through some of the motions to get those votes. As such they do somewhat less damage to liberty, common sense, and the American way so to speak and are less destructive to the concepts the Founders gave us than are the Democrats. At the very least they are taking us to hell in a hand basket at a somewhat slower pace than are the Democrats, and that might buy us some time to turn it around.

    We libertarians/classical liberals/constitutional conservatives are a dying breed though, I fear, and I do believe we are the last generation that has any chance to turn it around.
    The bottom line is that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bottom line is that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
    But to fail to vote for the 'lesser evil' when the alternative is that the greater evil will prevail is in itself evil. Most especially when it is done just to make ourselves feel better.

    But we should all be rallying behind groups like the Tea Party, 9/12ers, tax reformers, etc. and refusing to allow the existing permanent political class in Washington or the media or the self-serving beneficiaries of that political class to demonize and marginalize them. They really are our only hope to turn it around.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 05-03-14 at 01:34 PM.
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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
    How can people that claim they want a small government support the things social conservatives do? Sorry, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For that matter, how can conservatives support the military complex, while at the same time wanting a small government? Again, there is no sense to it.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But to fail to vote for the 'lesser evil' when the alternate is that the greater evil will prevail is in itself evil. Most especially when it is done out just to make ourselves feel better.

    But we should all be rallying behind groups like the Tea Party, 9/12ers, tax reformers, etc. and refusing to allow the existing permanent political class in Washington or the media or the self-serving beneficiaries of that political class to demonize and marginalize them. They really are our only hope to turn it around.
    Exactly. The important race is the primary.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How can people that claim they want a small government support the things social conservatives do? Sorry, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For that matter, how can conservatives support the military complex, while at the same time wanting a small government? Again, there is no sense to it.
    Define "small government".

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.


    Remember Focus on the Family? They didn't abandon their principles...they just suddenly realized that they were alienating more people than they were converting and decided to stop beating people over the head with their principles.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Define "small government".
    Murray Rothbard put my point better than I did...

    For how can the leftist be opposed to the violence of war and conscription while at the same time supporting the violence of taxation and government control? And how can the rightist trumpet his devotion to private property and free enterprise while at the same time favoring war, conscription, and the outlawing of noninvasive activities and practices that he deems immoral?
    The only principle of small government that truly makes sense is if the government exists to defend the liberty of every individual without exception. In reality you don't support a small government at all, but instead a large invasive government that violates the rights of people, so that you feel better about the world you live in.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The party is becoming degenerate. A larger and less extreme version of the libertarian party. It's becoming dominated by people who think that social conservatism should be abandoned.
    Becoming? It's totally degenerate. The neo-cons are just religiously fanatic liberals. There are no conservative parties in the U.S. anymore.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bottom line is that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
    But every party out there is evil, including the Libertarians. You cannot vote for any professional politician and not vote for evil.
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