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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    You make good points, and I share some of your concerns. I'm not a person who emphasizes individual responsibility as much as others do, but likewise, I don't believe we're just the product of our environment and can't escape it either. Neither existence shapes consciousness nor vice versa, but both shape each other to some extent, IMO.

    I'm all with you when you say there must be limits and regulations on markets and advertisement. I guess even the most extreme market advocates will agree that their ideal of truly free markets can only be reached when there is no information asymmetry. Now perfect information symmetry is probably impossible, which is why a truly free market is an illusion, but at least we can try to make sure there is no gross asymmetry: Of course companies are not allowed to lie about their products. I also think it's a perfectly legitimate demand to force companies to print ingredients and nutrient charts on the food they're selling -- to allow consumers to make informed decisions not just in theory, but in practize too. I don't even have a problem with taxes on goods such as tobacco, when the revenues are used to support the health sector. Or banning ads for tobacco and alcohol whereever minors might see them. That's just what comes to my mind from the top of my head, perhaps there are many more examples.

    But still I believe as long as you're not being lied to by the companies, and they properly inform you, it's up to you to decide. And to take risks. So if you feel it's worth the health problems to smoke, it's fine when you do that.
    You are right on mark when you say that the decisions we make and state of mind are not strictly the result of environmental influences. Of this there is no doubt. The individual does have some choice in the matter. However, the choices that are available are the result of a combination of his inherent fortune and what is available in his environment. Now you may say that the individual has the ability to alter his fortune and his environment, and while that is true, again he is limited in that matter by his inherent fortune in the form of his mental state, his intelligence, his physical state, and his financial position. And that inherent state, he has no control of. That state, quite frankly, has been imposed on him. As such, those that have, for whatever reason, as a result of that inherent state more facilities to control the environment, should exercise responsible leadership, and try to, as far as possible create an environment such that all persons will have the maximum opportunity to experience good fortune. If they instead do things like manipulating people's minds to falsely believe that things like smoking cigarettes will grant them freedom and independence, then that, quite frankly is sinister, and is not in the best interests of individuals and society as a whole.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So much for the purpose of feminism countering corporate patriarchy then.
    That is certainly true, if feminism tries to do so through the mechanism of commodity feminism, thus described.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    not feminists but women have been used by corporations to exploit their sexualiaty.they have been presented as sexual objects in every kind of commercials,magazines .
    That is true. But my point is that feminists have been used in some instances by corporations to accomplish such exploitation. Take Beyonce as an example. According to her, she is a feminist, and indeed there are some that see her as such. But, her activities support the notion of the use of women as objects, which is opposed to the principles of freedom and independence that feminism claims to champion.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is true. But my point is that feminists have been used in some instances by corporations to accomplish such exploitation. Take Beyonce as an example. According to her, she is a feminist, and indeed there are some that see her as such. But, her activities support the notion of the use of women as objects, which is opposed to the principles of freedom and independence that feminism claims to champion.
    partly l agree but l can claim she is free and independent and l dont think she is as idiotic as rihanna.it depends on how one interprets the concept of feminism.it doesnt mean denying your nature ,your evolutional facts and trying to change your hormones
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?
    Once again we have a clear cut case of an ideology that takes an innoxious word such as "feminism" or feminist" and prevaricates it into something pejorative, which in my opinion, renders the question as less than intelligent.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

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    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

    So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?


    French author Alan Soral gives provides a comprehensive answer to your question.
    AN AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALIST OPPOSED TO GLOBALISM, ZIONISM, AND FEMINISM, AND IN FAVOR OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS, A PALESTINIAN STATE, AND MEN'S RIGHTS!

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    partly l agree but l can claim she is free and independent and l dont think she is as idiotic as rihanna.it depends on how one interprets the concept of feminism.it doesnt mean denying your nature ,your evolutional facts and trying to change your hormones
    First of all, I strongly disagree with your assertion that she is free and independent. To see how this is so, if you closely examine her song, the shoes that she wears, she did not make. Someone else made them. So she is dependent on those people. What if all of a sudden there was no one to make shoes. She would have to do it herself. The house that she lives in, she did not build. She depends on others to do that. What she does do is sing and expose her body to make money to facilitate her so called "independence." And quite frankly, it is rather sad that although there are women much more intelligent and have a much more to contribute of substance to human society, they are barely known, while Beyonce is very rich and famous. It's a very backward situation.

    But all that aside, because I really hate to say those things about a black woman, being that I am a black male. Let's assume that what you have said is indeed true. The problem is that Beyonce's so called freedom and independence has come at the expense of other women who are not as fortunate and actually have to work very hard at jobs that pay very little to get by. By her activities, Beyonce promotes the idea that one can be free and independent by obtaining objects that the average black woman especially, will have to work very hard, sometimes two or three jobs, to obtain. And even in those cases, many times the fruit of such labor is only enough to be able to afford the basic necessities and not the type of Prada shoes that Beyonce can afford. So what kind of freedom is that?

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    Once again we have a clear cut case of an ideology that takes an innoxious word such as "feminism" or feminist" and prevaricates it into something pejorative, which in my opinion, renders the question as less than intelligent.
    If we take it for granted that the first part of your assertion is true, I fail to understand how A causes B. Could you please clearly explain what you mean?

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post


    French author Alan Soral gives provides a comprehensive answer to your question.
    That was an excellent analysis. Could you please point me to some other reference materials for further study? Thank you very much for that informative post.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post


    French author Alan Soral gives provides a comprehensive answer to your question.
    It should also be noted that adding women to the work force added a massive amount of workers to the workforce, which as you would expect, drove down wages. The very fact that both parents have to work today is proof of that. They also drove up the cost of daycare by pushing for further regulation, which ironically enough made it harder for women to work and have children.

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