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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Some more of interest

    To expand the number of women smokers Hill decided to hire Edward Bernays, who today is known as the father of public relations, to help him recruit women smokers. Bernays decided to attempt to eliminate the social taboo of women smoking in public. He gained advice from psychoanalyst A. A. Brill stated that it was normal for women to smoke because of oral fixation and said, “Today the emancipation of women has suppressed many of their feminine desires. More women now do the same work as men do. Many women bear no children; those who do bear have fewer children. Feminine traits are masked. Cigarettes, which are equated with men, become torches of freedom.” In 1929 Bernays decided to pay women to smoke their “torches of freedom” as they walked in the Easter Sunday Parade in New York. This was a shock because until that time, women were only permitted to smoke in certain places such as in the privacy of their own homes. He was very careful when picking women to march because “while they should be good looking, they should not look too model-y” and he hired his own photographers to make sure that good pictures were taken and then published around the world. Feminist Ruth Hale also called for women to join in the march saying, “Women! Light another torch of freedom! Fight another sex taboo!”
    Please note the psychological analysis that stated that the emancipation of women has suppressed many of their feminine desires. Very, very interesting.

    Please also note how the feminist Ruth Hale was used to help exploit women in the sinister campaign. Very, very, very interesting indeed!

    Torches of Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    The WHO has noted that tobacco companies have sponsored women's organizations in it's efforts to exploit women

    Tobacco companies are exploiting women's struggle for equal rights by creating the impression that tobacco makes women more confident, more sexually attractive, and more in control of their own destiny, a World Health Organization (WHO) report has claimed.

    The industry is also making inaccurate health claims that certain cigarettes are “light” or “mild,” according to the WHO's report. In some countries the tobacco companies are sponsoring beauty pageants, sports and arts events, and even women's organisations to influence young women to use tobacco.

    A WHO spokesperson said that Ligget-Ducat, one of Russia's largest cigarette manufacturers and which is now owned by Gallagher, has recently sponsored a “La Femme Woman of the Year” competition to promote its “La Femme” brand. The competition was to find the woman who had made the greatest lifetime achievement to Russian society, and it was won by 65 year old actress Lyudima Gurchenko. And in the United States, cigarette manufacturers Philip Morris and R J Reynolds have provided sponsorship for various women's organisations, including the National Women's Political Caucus and the Center for Women Policy Studies.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of
    women cigarettes,
    as a symbol of their freedom.

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    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

    So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?



    What are 'women cigarettes'?

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

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    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

    So the question is,
    have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?



    Has any group of people ever been taken advantage of by any other group of people for any reason?

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What are 'women cigarettes'?
    That's just like asking what are 'boys toys' if I said 'selling boys toys.' But if you insist, to be clear, 'selling cigarettes to women.'

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Has any group of people ever been taken advantage of by any other group of people for any reason?
    What I find that is interesting in this instance is that one can trace the rise of feminism directly to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

    So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?
    How can the women reaction against corporate exploitation of women (i.e., feminism) be itself used to increase corporate profit nevertheless?

    It is like women were being exploited for profit from corporates thus feminism came. Now feminism too is being exploited for profit? Either feminists are not serving their purpose then or they do not seem capable to.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

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    It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

    So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?
    From what you've posted the move for women to be treated equal started first. Companies co-op movements or views to sell their products. Believe me I vomit in my mouth everytime I see a company use soldiers to sell their products. They didn't create the publics goodwill for people that serve but they sure as hell want to cash in on it.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    From what you've posted the move for women to be treated equal started first. Companies co-op movements or views to sell their products. Believe me I vomit in my mouth everytime I see a company use soldiers to sell their products. They didn't create the publics goodwill for people that serve but they sure as hell want to cash in on it.
    A couple of things are of interest

    1. Although feminism was not invented by corporations, it's rise and widespread influence were facilitated by corporations that wanted to associated feminism with products in order to exploit women for profit, not necessarily to promote feminism.

    2. Although feminism has rejected the objectification of women, it has nonetheless participated in such objectification through lending the use of the association of feminism itself with that objectification.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How can the women reaction against corporate exploitation of women (i.e., feminism) be itself used to increase corporate profit nevertheless?

    It is like women were being exploited for profit from corporates thus feminism came. Now feminism too is being exploited for profit? Either feminists are not serving their purpose then or they do not seem capable to.
    You have made a very, very good point here. First of all though, I think we should point out, for the sake of clarity, that feminism was not solely a response to corporate exploitation of women. In a larger sense, it was a response to what some felt was an unjust system of patriarchy that existed prior to the rise of corporations. The corporate structure just happens to be a major part of that system of patriarchy.

    Having said that, to answer your first question, I think it is the result of a combination of several factors.

    1. In some instances feminist leaders simply did not understand that corporations were using them to exploit women. For instance, with Bernays' Torches of Freedom march, Bernays did not directly send out the mailings that instigated the march. Rather he cleverly had someone else do it and did not indicate that American Tobacco Company was behind the plot.

    2. When women were co-opted into the corporate power structure, this had the effect of actually blinding women to the fact that women were being exploited because women were taking part in the exploitation. It is similar to the effect that Obama's election as President of the United States has had on some blacks. It makes them feel that they have a larger share in the political power structure than they have in reality, and it also helps to blind them to the fact that they are being exploited by liberal elites. In a similar way, co-opting women in the the corporate power structure gave women in general a sense that they had more power than they actually have in truth. In reality, the corporate power structure is still dominated by white males. And just like blacks, in general have little power in the political power structure relative to their numbers, women, in general have little power in the corporate power structure relative to their numbers.

    3. It is possible that feminist leaders felt that having access to the financial resources and media attention was worth the sacrifice of such exploitation.

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