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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ok. But it is rather interesting that, in the example I presented, the tobacco company was not initially interested in women's rights. They were merely trying to get women to smoke so that they could increase their sales. They asked Bernays to find a way to do it, and he conceived of the notion of associating women smoking with the liberation of women. It's of especially of interest because in the name of women's freedom, women are encouraged to become a slave to the dangerous habit of smoking cigarettes.
    Yes - that's how brutal, big-time marketing is done. Exactly like that. It's dirty business, but that's how they do it. No denial here - that's exactly what they do.

    Remember the movie Wayne's World? "Purchase feeble public access cable show and exploit it" - - - That's the guts of brutal marketing.

    Sure, companies would like for us to know they care about us. But they don't. Most don't, anyway, some do. Some wouldn't exploit people's weaknesses (or strengths) or inner desires. However, most would and *do* - often - with great success.

    Small businesses are the ones who risk public lashback and can never do such things. However, corporate giants such as tobacco companies don't have to worry about critics lashing out with negative impacts on sales. Odds are: they'll just exploit any negativity and still fatten their pockets.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - that's how brutal, big-time marketing is done. Exactly like that. It's dirty business, but that's how they do it. No denial here - that's exactly what they do.

    Remember the movie Wayne's World? "Purchase feeble public access cable show and exploit it" - - - That's the guts of brutal marketing.

    Sure, companies would like for us to know they care about us. But they don't. Most don't, anyway, some do. Some wouldn't exploit people's weaknesses (or strengths) or inner desires. However, most would and *do* - often - with great success.

    Small businesses are the ones who risk public lashback and can never do such things. However, corporate giants such as tobacco companies don't have to worry about critics lashing out with negative impacts on sales. Odds are: they'll just exploit any negativity and still fatten their pockets.
    Absolutely. It's very cruel IMO.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Absolutely. It's very cruel IMO.
    In business it's classified as 'clever marketing skills' and so forth.

    And of course: marketing isn't just for corporations - politicians do it, too, quite a bit. People just don't like to admit that.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    In business it's classified as 'clever marketing skills' and so forth.

    And of course: marketing isn't just for corporations - politicians do it, too, quite a bit. People just don't like to admit that.
    Of course politicians do it. I think liberal elites have exploited women, just as they have exploited blacks. It was rather interesting to have observed Bill Clinton throw blacks under the bus with welfare reform when it became politically expedient to do so.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Here's an interesting snippet from an article

    That the rise and fall of Second-Wave feminism is extant in late-20th century slim cigarette advertising suggests that smoking had become, to many, culturally synonymous with female liberation—and its disappearance from these ads showcased the apolitical attitudes of a new generation of American women.
    The Death of the Cool Feminist Smoker - Adrian Shirk - The Atlantic

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Note the phrase: Back then education taught men to run the world and women to run the house


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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    I voted yes to this poll. Here is somebody that has a little more insight on the topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We're easier to manage, cheaper and are wiling to put up with a lot of crap?

    LOL

    Sure, whatever.
    When someone says whatever it means that they go along with what you are saying.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    The question is:
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    lulz

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    When someone says whatever it means that they go along with what you are saying.
    That's not true. You really need to better understand the "**** off" that "whatever" is. This is a horrible confusion. People have basically been saying "**** off" and you've been interpreting it completely wrong. There must be dozens of people out there whom you think agree with you when that's not the case.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Here's some more article snippets

    Why do nearly one-fifth of women in America smoke? The answer goes back to an event almost 80 years ago on Fifth Avenue, which is often regarded as one of the most successful P.R. stunts in American history.
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    But the tobacco companies wanted to change this view. “The industry understood that they were half of humanity,” Dr. Jackler said.

    So in 1928, Edward Bernays, often considered the father of modern public relations, was retained by American Tobacco Company to help get women to smoke.

    Recognizing that women were still riding high on the suffrage movement, Mr. Bernays used the equality angle as the basis for his new campaign. He convinced a number of genteel women, including his own secretary, to march in the 1929 Easter Day parade down Fifth Avenue and light up cigarettes in a defiant show of their liberation.
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    Dr. Jackler said his mother came of age influenced by the ads. She started smoking in college in the 1940s at the University of Vermont. Her cancer had prompted his interest in that era of tobacco marketing. (Now, more women die of lung cancer than from breast cancer.)

    “She thought it would be smart and sassy thing to smoke,” Dr. Jackler said. “She thought it would make her elegant and mature and sophisticated.”

    Documents from the files of the tobacco companies, released in 1998, indicated they had studied female smoking habits through research projects with names like “Tomorrow’s Female,” “Cosmo” and “Virile Female.” Marketing cigarettes for women continued with the introduction of Virginia Slims in 1968, which for decades used the theme “You’ve come a long way, baby” as an allusion to the feminist movement.

    “There is a bump in women’s smoking in the 1970s,” Dr. Jackler said.

    That increase has shown up now, he added, as more cases of “lung cancer and emphysema, because they started smoking in the ’70s because of the Virginia Slim ads.”

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    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ype=blogs&_r=0

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