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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    What about human sacrifice for "free"?


    That is a concept that is above my pay grade slick!

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    IMO an equality that is enslaving is not real equality, because the notion of master and servant is based on the notion of inequality.
    Indeed. There is a difference between equality between genders, and equality between all individuals. Mind you, there's also a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    When we look back in history 100 years from now, we will see feminism as one of the most destructive doctorines of all time. It will also be the destruction of the US economy and its people.
    Jesus [and this isn't JUST directed at you - but every man who wants to accuse feminism of unleashing the evil's of hell] Just because some social issues might be related to how SOME PEOPLE conduct their 'feminist lifestyles' does not mean that women having the right to vote and such is BAD.

    Did your mother work?
    Was that a bad thing?

    Did she vote?
    Do you blame her for all of our country's issues?

    Are you a perfect person - is anyone?
    No.

    People who want to knee-jerk and point a finger at feminism seem to ignore every other social and economical movement or event that has happened in the last 120 years.

    Quit whining and trying to accuse women in general of being some sort of evil that was unleashed.

    I'm a feminist - but I'm not an extremist about anything and have spent my mother years lately as a stay at home mom pursuing a college degree. Extremism is the issue - not the basic concept of gender equality when it comes to economics, business, and politics. This can be applied to males, as well.

    If you're not capable of seeing the positives and negatives of all the many changes our country has undergone then you need to ease off and stop trying to find the easy escape. Tune in, pay attention, and learn.

    Nothing is as easy as just blaming one single group of people who share a value or social norm.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Indeed. There is a difference between equality between genders, and equality between all individuals. Mind you, there's also a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.
    I can't think of any reason to disagree with that.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Jesus [and this isn't JUST directed at you - but every man who wants to accuse feminism of unleashing the evil's of hell]
    While I don't see anything wrong with women having equal rights, some of that stuff that is coming from that radical wing of feminism is straight out of hell. A spade is a spade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Just because some social issues might be related to how SOME PEOPLE conduct their 'feminist lifestyles' does not mean that women having the right to vote and such is BAD.

    Did your mother work?
    Was that a bad thing?

    Did she vote?
    Do you blame her for all of our country's issues?
    My mother did indeed work and vote. And she was a very, very good mother. However, she did not deningrate stay at home moms.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post


    That is a concept that is above my pay grade slick!
    why? it has to do with the subjective value of morals.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    why? it has to do with the subjective value of morals.
    I have said that I don't believe that you can construct a system of morals that is based on capital. I have said why. I honestly don't know what else to say.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I don't see anything wrong with women having equal rights, some of that stuff that is coming from that radical wing of feminism is straight out of hell. A spade is a spade.
    Yep - that's what i'm referring to when I say 'extremists' - I've stopped calling them various versions of 'feminist' (like 'femmi-nazi' and so on) because I don't think it's sufficient (because some men can espouse some extreme views, too) and it's confusing to people.

    I just haven't quite found the best phrase for it, yet. Someone else mentioned a term that was ideal a few weeks ago but I've lost a grip on what that was.

    My mother did indeed work and vote. And she was a very, very good mother. However, she did not deningrate stay at home moms.
    Exactly - so there are different levels of 'feminism' and the more extreme views is where the problems are at.

    The misandrists - those who hate men and boys and blame them for everything - are in that group of extremists.

    In my view - those who denigrate stay at home mothers and so forth and claim to represent feminism aren't actually feminists. Some are just outright misogynists (hating women. And even perhaps that's not strong enough. They dislike anyone or anything that's reflective of traditional gender roles, or modest gender roles. Is there a term for that? Because they're way *out there* with their views).
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have said that I don't believe that you can construct a system of morals that is based on capital. I have said why. I honestly don't know what else to say.
    why do you believe that is the case, when socialism can do it for free?

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Jesus [and this isn't JUST directed at you - but every man who wants to accuse feminism of unleashing the evil's of hell] Just because some social issues might be related to how SOME PEOPLE conduct their 'feminist lifestyles' does not mean that women having the right to vote and such is BAD.
    When did I ever say that women having the right to vote was a bad thing? Not sure where you pull that assertion from based on what I have said.

    Did your mother work?
    Was that a bad thing?

    Did she vote?
    Do you blame her for all of our country's issues?
    I am not against women in the workplace at all. What I am against is the idea that the workplace offers women or men power over the other. The idea that working gives one power is completely a false notion. It actually has the reverse effect. When you enter the workforce, you have less power. You become dependent on the income your job provides and end up sacrificing things you want to do to accomodate your career and the need the income from it provides. All the women's rights movement has accomplished in the way of workplace equality is equally distribute the burden of providing for the family while sacrificing ones own freedoms to do what they want with their lives.

    Are you a perfect person - is anyone?
    No.

    People who want to knee-jerk and point a finger at feminism seem to ignore every other social and economical movement or event that has happened in the last 120 years.
    What does this have to do with me being a perfect person. Not following where your going.

    Quit whining and trying to accuse women in general of being some sort of evil that was unleashed.
    Typical man shaming tactic. As if men are not allowed to voice their concerns, but the minute a woman does the room should fall silent and contently listen to her concerns. What are you going to say next.. I have a small penis and cant get laid?

    I'm a feminist - but I'm not an extremist about anything and have spent my mother years lately as a stay at home mom pursuing a college degree. Extremism is the issue - not the basic concept of gender equality when it comes to economics, business, and politics. This can be applied to males, as well.

    If you're not capable of seeing the positives and negatives of all the many changes our country has undergone then you need to ease off and stop trying to find the easy escape. Tune in, pay attention, and learn.

    Nothing is as easy as just blaming one single group of people who share a value or social norm.
    Many of the extremist feminists are in high positions of government. Many are teachers at big universities in Womens studies programs. They are very influencial in the political arena. Society has become feminized to the point that men have simply just given up. They have no avenue to defend themselves because all avenues lead to silencing tactics by feminists and their enablers. All it takes is a few lines of rhetoric from a feminist and it silences a room of men who are "whining" about their problems.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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