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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - after women's suffrage, winning the right to use birth control, and being able to become things such as governors of states such a s Texas.

    Look at marketing history: corporations will exploit anyone and anything to make a few sales. It's called marketing.

    I guarantee you just as many - if not more - products have been marketed to men to further sales.
    Uh what?!?!?

    When I was single, I had the same Sofa, bed and furniture for years!!!! Corporations don't target men nearly as often as they target women. Some sources state that women control 80% of household spending. Why in the hell would any smart corporation target men more than women? Certainly there are niches that target men specifically, but women are the prime target. It does not take a mathematics or economics major to understand this....
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Oh, and women are finding out that the whole women's suffrage thing was a bunch of horse crap. They are more unhappy now then they have every been. They have been sold this crap cake of how wonderful it is to be in the workforce just to find out how un-wonderful it is to HAVE to work. Men have known this for centuries. That is why it is called work and not pleasure. Because work is not pleasurable! Corporate America have served women the same crap sandwhich us men have been forced to take a bite of for thousands of years. Congratulations!!! Enjoy your 30 minute lunch!
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Real morals cannot be based on capital. What you are speaking of is a business transaction, not morals.
    Social morals for free may require some faith; capital morals for a price only requires capitalism and an Institution of money based markets.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But - you have to admit it was pretty ridiculous that it was illegal for women to smoke in public.
    It is ridiculous if viewed in the light that it was fine for men to do so. On the other hand it is a bad habit no matter who is doing it.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Uh what?!?!?

    When I was single, I had the same Sofa, bed and furniture for years!!!! Corporations don't target men nearly as often as they target women. Some sources state that women control 80% of household spending. Why in the hell would any smart corporation target men more than women? Certainly there are niches that target men specifically, but women are the prime target. It does not take a mathematics or economics major to understand this....
    Of course they do - anytime a product is designed for men or can be sold to men they will target men. They identify "Men who do home improvement" as their demographic and then - wham. We have a macho-male geared commercial string.

    Shaving cream, body wash, power tools, trucks, fast food, soda, candy - I mean, the list goes on forever and ever.

    Watch any commercials lately? Gender is often exploited. Marketing plain and simple. Common place - funny - entertaining - sexist - whatever. It sells products.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes,

    It has always been my belief that corporations are behind feminism. It makes complete sense when you think about it and it really does not take that much thinking to understand the concept. More workers equals a larger economy to profit from.

    At one point, families were able to have 1 full time worker and 1 full time to raise the children. No longer the case! Now, corporations have made it almost impossible for someone to have that option. The feminist movements goal is to tear apart the family. They are useful idiots for corporations. Corporations have funded the propaganda and steered the movement in this direction in order to profit from it. The more men and women hate each other, the more they will have children out of wedlock and all of us will have to be paid slave wages in order to survive. In order to survive we must buy things. When we buy things, we line the pockets of the very people who are trying to destroy our families.

    The destruction of the family in America is a corporate dream.
    I agree with what you have said here with two exceptions. I don't think feminists have a goal to tear apart the family, neither do I think that the destruction of the family is a corporate dream. Having said that, feminists, in order to achieve their goal of independence for women, have been used by corporations such that women, instead of becoming independent, have merely substituted one type of dependency for another. And that has led to the erosion of the family. Not only that but they have been mislead by corporations into believing that the consumption of corporate commodities is itself is empowering and liberating when in fact, the opposite is true. With regards to corporations, they don't care about anything except making money. And if the destruction of the family is a by product of that, they don't care. As far as they are concerned that's just tough, it's life, too bad.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Social morals for free may require some faith; capital morals for a price only requires capitalism and an Institution of money based markets.
    And I will repeat, there is no such thing as capital based morals. Morals have to do with what is right and wrong. Capital does not care for right or wrong. To capital what is right is what makes more capital. And killing an innocent person is fine if it results in making more capital. Quite frankly, that is a big the problem in the world today. The US has gone into places like Iraq and killed innocent people to secure oil supplies for the sake of making money.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree with what you have said here with two exceptions. I don't think feminists have a goal to tear apart the family, neither do I think that the destruction of the family is a corporate dream. Having said that, feminists, in order to achieve their goal of independence for women, have been used by corporations such that women, instead of becoming independent, have merely substituted one type of dependency for another. And that has led to the erosion of the family. Not only that but they have been mislead by corporations into believing that the consumption of corporate commodities is itself is empowering and liberating when in fact, the opposite is true. With regards to corporations, they don't care about anything except making money. And if the destruction of the family is a by product of that, they don't care. As far as they are concerned that's just tough, it's life, too bad.
    While I think you're touching on a good point I think you're also skewing it out of proportion.

    The Feminists did not foster the idea of marketing to women - the COMPANY fostered the idea. They covered the cost of advertisement and contacted women who were willing to pose as models in ads.

    For one: women are not unifiably reliant on any one product these days because it 'makes us dependent'. I think you can throw out that belief because it's false. Are men unifiably reliant on a product to 'make them manly'? No.

    Makeup has been around for thousands of years and, if anything, it's less popular. Many women don't and never will wear it (I don't). So some things come and go like fashions - and the overall reliance on them is nil. Some things are sort of a necessity and each gender is equally marketed to: shaving cream, for example. Oddly, my favorite shaving cream that's sort of expensive is never advertised (Aveeno).

    Makeup, Cigarettes, Shaving Cream, and Lawn Mowers have not altered the family dynamic in any way, shape or form. Things have not altered or destroyed the family dynamic. Products do not do that. Social values and other things do that. Beliefs and Morals are what do that.

    This thread began by discussing Cigarettes. Marketing an unhealthy product to what was seen as a new demographic. Business common sense: try to branch out into as many facets of society as possible and gender is just one facet. (Quitters are another - fashion smokers are another . . . thus we have a variety of nocotein free or reduced cigarettes and fashionable cigarette items, gender geared or gender neutral. Marketing to a niche interest. Oddly enough: marketing to a niche interest that's pushing against traditional cigarette forms).

    A non-cigarette, non-gender but equally disturbing trend can be seen when you look at companies like Proctor Gamble which produces Crest toothpaste. There's at least one tube of toothpaste in almost every home in the United States. Toothpaste is good business because it's seen as a necessity. So when they looked around a while back and saw that they had pretty much encouraged the need or sale of the product for every man or women in the United States they decided to branch out.

    Of course, that required them to find a place that had a huge demographic to tap into - and then they had to make it happen. Where'd they go? Well Japan and China, of course. The Orient. The Orient, you see, doesn't rely on the use of manufactured toothpaste. They rely on things like Green Tea to swish with.

    So they then analyzed the culture - hired cultural anthropologists to go over there, explore the state of dental hygiene in the Orient, and then worked with marketers to create a necessity for toothpaste.

    How is the international marketing campaign for dental hygiene to sell toothpaste and related products going? Proctor and Gamble has that covered: Global Toothpaste Market to Reach US$12.6 Billion by 2015, According to New Report by Global Industry Analysts, Inc.

    Marketing basics:
    1: Identify your demographic and market to their interests.
    2: If there is not a demographic with an interest then create an interest.

    If you do this well you're King of the Mountain.

    All major brands (General Motors, Ford, Proctor and Gamble, Kenmore (which was a woman-owned company from its start, btw), McDonald's, Walmart) - all of these big companies are BIG success stories because they mastered the art of demographic appeals.
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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And I will repeat, there is no such thing as capital based morals. Morals have to do with what is right and wrong. Capital does not care for right or wrong. To capital what is right is what makes more capital. And killing an innocent person is fine if it results in making more capital. Quite frankly, that is a big the problem in the world today. The US has gone into places like Iraq and killed innocent people to secure oil supplies for the sake of making money.
    You seem to have a limited view of morals.

    Capital based morality for a price is more real than Faith in social morals for free.

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    Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    While I think you're touching on a good point I think you're also skewing it out of proportion.

    The Feminists did not foster the idea of marketing to women - the COMPANY fostered the idea. They covered the cost of advertisement and contacted women who were willing to pose as models in ads.

    For one: women are not unifiably reliant on any one product these days because it 'makes us dependent'. I think you can throw out that belief because it's false. Are men unifiably reliant on a product to 'make them manly'? No.
    I don't think that it's so much that I have skewed the issue out of proportion, but it is rather that you have misunderstood what I said. First of all I did not say that women fostered the idea. What I did say is that feminists have been used by corporations to increase profits. One example was Ruth Hale who encouraged women to smoke in Bernays' Torches of Freedom march.

    Neither did I say that women are unifiably reliant on one product. What I did say was that by allowing feminism itself to be associated with the consumption of commodities, feminists have assisted in corporations in conditioning women consumers that they will become free and independent through the consumption of those products, and that in itself is not liberating but rather enslaving.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Makeup, Cigarettes, Shaving Cream, and Lawn Mowers have not altered the family dynamic in any way, shape or form. Things have not altered or destroyed the family dynamic. Products do not do that. Social values and other things do that. Beliefs and Morals are what do that.
    That is certainly true. However what is also true is that capitalists are motivated to drive down wages as much as possible. So the larger the pool of available labor is, the more downward force is applied to wages. And feminism, by promoting the notion that a woman who stays at home and takes care of children is essentially a slave whereas a woman who works for wages is independent, has not made women independent, rather is has merely substituted one type of dependency for another. The video someone posted earlier inspired me to read some Marx yesterday. I think Marx summed this type of dependency up well when he said

    He, who before was the money-owner, now strides in front as capitalist; the possessor of labour-power follows as his labourer. The one with an air of importance, smirking, intent on business; the other, timid and holding back, like one who is bringing his own hide to market and has nothing to expect but a hiding.

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