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    Death Penalty, for or against

    The death penalty is in the news again in America because states are turning to new, untested drug concoctions to use for lethal injection, and sometimes the drugs being used in executions cause complications and prolonged dying. There was a case a few months ago out of Ohio, but the story coming out of Oklahoma seems the most controversial yet. It actually delayed another man's execution.

    A link to the story is below...



    So do you favor the death penalty?

    Do you think the death penalty will last in America considering the declining availability of traditional lethal injection drugs?



    Oklahoma’s horrible ‘botched execution’ shows again why the death penalty should be abolished

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    It's a complicated question. In THEORY, I don't have a problem with the death penalty in and of itself in that I believe that some people have committed heinous crimes worthy of such punishment. In PRACTICE, however, with the potential of botching executions, the wildly inconsistent application of the death penalty, and the potential for executing innocents, there are simply too many issues with it for the death penalty to remain a practice.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I favor the death penalty in cases of murder, which can be proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, and in which there is no evidence of a strong emotional basis (ie crimes of passion). Imo, if you can kill in cold blood, without having any reason to do so, besides just your desire to kill and maim, then you forfeit your humanity card when you commit the act.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I favor the death penalty in cases of murder, which can be proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, and in which there is no evidence of a strong emotional basis (ie crimes of passion). Imo, if you can kill in cold blood, without having any reason to do so, besides just your desire to kill and maim, then you forfeit your humanity card when you commit the act.
    "Proven beyond any doubt whatsoever" is itself a subjective measuring stick which I view as problematic.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I am against the death penalty except in extreme cases such as genocide and other human rights violations because there is always that chance the person is innocent even if it may not be seen at the time of the trial. I also beleive that even murderers can be reformed.
    Last edited by Carjosse; 04-30-14 at 04:12 PM.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I favor the death penalty in cases of murder, which can be proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, and in which there is no evidence of a strong emotional basis (ie crimes of passion). Imo, if you can kill in cold blood, without having any reason to do so, besides just your desire to kill and maim, then you forfeit your humanity card when you commit the act.
    Yes, well, I don't forfeit my humanity card. I believe killing a helpless harmless captive is inhuman. It sets a bad example and thereby promotes murder through the justification of rationalization.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    "Proven beyond any doubt whatsoever" is itself a subjective measuring stick which I view as problematic.
    I don't have a problem with it at all. There are cases where there is absolutely no doubt who did it.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I favor the death penalty in cases of murder, which can be proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, and in which there is no evidence of a strong emotional basis (ie crimes of passion). Imo, if you can kill in cold blood, without having any reason to do so, besides just your desire to kill and maim, then you forfeit your humanity card when you commit the act.
    What Lizzie said----------------------------^ I'm lazy, and she summed it up for me.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, well, I don't forfeit my humanity card. I believe killing a helpless harmless captive is inhuman. It sets a bad example and thereby promotes murder through the justification of rationalization.
    No, it doesn't promote murder. The murder is the unjustified taking of a life for no reason other than the desire to do so. The death penalty is a just penalty for someone who committed murder.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    The only person who should decide whether a person lives or dies is God. Even a convicted killer should die in God's time, not the government's.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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