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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I'm for it, at the hands of the (intended victim) right there, at the time and place of the intended attack. stop letting them run away, shoot them swiftly, many times, with a powerful load, in multiple vital spots.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is classic vengence. plain and simple
    Well, you are incapable of thinking logically. Letting your emotions run away with you clouds logic and that is why people like you whine about the DP.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Well, they're supposed to. Unfortunately, that's not how things actually work today.
    I think that it could... it would just take such a massive effort that it rarely would. So yeah, you are correct.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Really? Never?

    How about war? Or law enforcement?
    Law enforcement is easy. We don't employ police to be executioners and they aren't. There may be times when an officer kills in self defense or defense of others, but that is not different than any person killing in self defense or defense of others. That is a completely different scenario.

    The issue of war is more complicated. Generally speaking I am not a big fan of war, although there are times when I agree that it cannot be avoided. In those cases, I support the idea that our goal in wartime activity is not to kill as many of the enemy as possible, but strategically to take out their infrastructure and try to prey upon their weaknesses to get them to surrender. People will always die as a result in times of war, thats unfortunate.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Well, you are incapable of thinking logically. Letting your emotions run away with you clouds logic and that is why people like you whine about the DP.
    LOL.....the exact opposite is true. People who tend to support the death penalty are the ones who allow their emotions to overcome their logic. The whole idea behind vengence is that you are so offended or angry with what the person has done, that the only acceptable consequence is killing them. You have stated so yourself in this thread.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, it doesn't promote murder. The murder is the unjustified taking of a life for no reason other than the desire to do so. The death penalty is a just penalty for someone who committed murder.
    I don't particularly like the argument that execution is just punishment, because we can't prove that position is morally, absolutely correct. I think the legal system and punishment for crime should should be about practicality and results, not about black and white statements and personal beliefs. In instances where I see execution being the most practical, it would be to protect the welfare and safety of society... In other words, taking people out of society that cannot be rehabilitated, are sociopathic, and may continue to be a threat within the prison structure itself and can organize crime and violence on the outside.

    Morally speaking, I have a problem killing a person just because they took a life, especially if that person is rehabilitated, remorseful, and can otherwise be a productive citizen even if they are in prison for life. If a person is in a gang and killed another gang member, that is a lot different than a man raping and killing a deaf and mute elderly woman, or Ted Bundy killing hundreds of women and bragging about it.

    The reality of the American justice system is that the law is not applied equally. We do not have access to the same lawyers. I also despite the fact that the death penalty is used as a tool of political posturing; politicians are pressured or feel compelled to be really tough on staying executions, never pardon, and rarely seek further review when an execution is controversial or a man claims innocence. That to me says, nobody in the political system wants to take responsibility for the system. They all pass the buck around and around to each other in the government on this issue, and I don't feel comfortable with that. If the government is going to kill people, then killing citizens should NOT be about political statements and political strength... and when innocent people are killed, somebody should have to take responsibility.... but I know that is asking for too much.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If just one guard is harmed... and it happens more than you think (I know some prison guards - Sherriff Deputies) then that one is already too much. It affects them and their families. It should never happen.
    There are always exceptions to the rule. The reality is that attacks by inmates on prison guards and other inmates are more rare than common. Attacks on guards are generally carried out by non-capital defendants.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's a complicated question. In THEORY, I don't have a problem with the death penalty in and of itself in that I believe that some people have committed heinous crimes worthy of such punishment. In PRACTICE, however, with the potential of botching executions, the wildly inconsistent application of the death penalty, and the potential for executing innocents, there are simply too many issues with it for the death penalty to remain a practice.
    To me the law should be impartial, equitable, and uniform in such matters.

    If you jay walk and are ticketed and convicted of that crime, the penalty for that is THIS.
    If you drive drunk and are arrested and convicted of that crime, the penalty for that is THIS for the first offense, THIS for the second. . . etc.
    If you physically assault somebody and are convicted, the penalty for that is THIS. . . .
    If you are convicted of breaking and entering, burglary, theft, robbery etc., the penalty for that is THIS
    If you are convicted of murder, the penalty for that is THIS. . . .and if great pain and suffering is inflicted upon the victim, additional penalties. . . .

    But without the death penalty, at some point the maximum penalty is life in prison with no hope for parole. And nothing the criminal then does will increase that penalty which pretty much removes any fear of consequences for doing anything.

    And I think there has to be an even more final solution to those who commit such horrendous, heartless, cruel, viscious, and unspeakable crimes that cause unimaginable pain and suffering for their victims. There has to be some incentive to deter a bad person from inflicting such pain and suffering in the first place, or to ensure that nobody ever has to worry about that person escaping or being released on a technicality or otherwise being able to do it again.

    Imposing penalties for breaking the law is not vengeance. It is imposing a consequence for breaking the law--a consequence every man, woman, and child knows they are subject to if they choose to break the law. And that includes the death penalty.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that it could... it would just take such a massive effort that it rarely would. So yeah, you are correct.
    It could happen but I think it would take another revolution. People are too lazy today and politicians have taken advantage of that fact.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The only person who should decide whether a person lives or dies is God. Even a convicted killer should die in God's time, not the government's.
    I thought about asking just Christians their take on this issue, because Jesus would forgive... he forgave the people that murdered him on the cross.

    And I am speaking morally, but I think forgiveness and redemption is a greater force than punishing somebody with death. I know it's not easy to forgive, but from my moral POV, it's the right thing to do. It is WWJD. I could never be an executioner, and it freaks me out that people actually sit in a room and watch condemned men and women die. To me it just represents the utter darkness and despair of the human psyche to sit in a room and feel pleasure watching another person die. I could't do it. I wouldn't want to do it.


    On a side note...

    I have read a few stories about serial killers.. really disgusting people that have killed children and all sorts of people. These people are sick in the head, and every now and then I have came across a true crime story where a serial killer admits that one of their victims haunts them. In those cases the victims said something along the lines of "I am sorry, I am sorry," "I forgive you," "God, help you," "God, save his soul," etc.

    I think it's really interesting that that sticks with them so much. I am not sure but I wonder if it's because many serial killers are trying to fulfill a fantasy in their killings, and in those cases, the victim did not give them what they wanted or fantasized about. I suppose their fantasy is feeling control and the victim in fear, screaming, crying, etc. They don't fantasize about people saying their sorry and praying for them.

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