View Poll Results: Do you support the death penalty?

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The problem with your little theory here is that if a person doesn't have adequate representation, then he doesn't have a good chance to prove his innocence.
    I do believe in adequate representation...if the DP is a possible sentence, then IMO the bar should be even higher.

    In the last post, I focused more on the reasons, rather than the representation.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    REALLY?! You'd rather be put to death than spend even one day in prison? I think you are being silly.
    I don't know. I am not in a gang. I am not going to be somebodies bitch and get raped over and over. I am not going to be the subject of my families shame, or worse, having them think I am actually guilty. I would rather kill myself and have my family find out years later that I was innocent and then build me a shrine.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The death penalty is in the news again in America because states are turning to new, untested drug concoctions to use for lethal injection, and sometimes the drugs being used in executions cause complications and prolonged dying. There was a case a few months ago out of Ohio, but the story coming out of Oklahoma seems the most controversial yet. It actually delayed another man's execution.

    A link to the story is below...

    So do you favor the death penalty?

    Do you think the death penalty will last in America considering the declining availability of traditional lethal injection drugs?

    Oklahoma’s horrible ‘botched execution’ shows again why the death penalty should be abolished
    I understand the desire for what some might consider "justice" but really it seems to appeal to our darker nature. Meaning, it seems more motivated by revenge then anything else. Couple that with the chances of them convicting then executing the wrong person and it just seems to serve no real purpose. I think in the big picture we are all better served with a life sentence being handed down instead.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In theory I am VERY for the DP. It is the right thing to do and upholds a societies stance that innocent life is the most precious thing. My problem is in the application. Innocent people are sentenced and it is too costly. If they are truly guilty just use a bullet and I whole heartedly support the DP.
    I never know what to make of your posts. You either have multiple personality disorder or you just enjoy ****ing with people.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So far; 55% against, 42% for.

    That's about what I figured it would be.

    So slightly more people are enlightened then UNenlightened on this.

    lulz

    Yeah. You guys are 'enlightened'.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I do believe in adequate representation...if the DP is a possible sentence, then IMO the bar should be even higher.

    In the last post, I focused more on the reasons, rather than the representation.
    It's not going to change. It's the way things work for the poor. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much mostly poor people who face execution anyway.

    I'm not sure if you saw it, but this is from a link I posted this link earlier.

    Almost all defendants who face capital charges cannot afford an attorney and rely on the state to appoint one for them. However, often times appointed attorneys are overworked, underpaid, lack critical resources, and are either incompetent or inexperienced. As a result when death sentences are set aside by the federal courts, it is often because among other reasons the trial attorney was so incompetent that the accused's constitutional right to effective counsel was violated. (See ACLU Report: "Slamming the Courthouse Doors: Denial of Access to Justice and Remedy in America")

    In 2009, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions conducted an official visit to the United States to examine the administration of the death penalty in Alabama and Texas. Alabama has the highest per capita rate of executions in the United States, while Texas has the largest total number of executions and one of the largest death row populations after California and Florida. The Special Rapporteur expressed concern about deficiencies in the administration of the death penalty in Alabama and Texas, including "the lack of adequate counsel for indigent defendants." He called for the two states "to establish well-funded, state-wide public defender services" and recommended that "[o]versight of these should be independent of the executive and judicial branches." The state of Alabama has no statewide public defender system even though its death row occupants are overwhelmingly poor with 95% indigent. (See ACLU Report above)

    An examination of 461 capital cases by The Dallas Morning News found that nearly one in four condemned inmates has been represented at trial or on appeal by court-appointed attorneys who have been disciplined for professional misconduct at some point in their careers. ("Quality Of Justice" Dallas Morning News, September 10, 2000).
    An investigation by the Texas Defender Service found that, "Death row inmates today face a one-in-three chance of being executed without having the case properly investigated by a competent attorney and without having any claims of innocence or unfairness presented or heard." (Lethal Indifference: The Fatal Combination of Incompetent Attorneys and Unaccountable Courts Texas Defender Service, 2002).

    In Washington state, one-fifth of the 84 people who have faced execution in the past 20 years were represented by lawyers who had been, or were later, disbarred, suspended or arrested. (Overall, the state's disbarment rate for attorneys is less than 1%.) (Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Aug. 6-8, 2001).

    According to an investigation by the Chicago Tribune, 12% of those sentenced to death from 1976-1999 were represented by, "an attorney who had been, or was later, disbarred or suspended--disciplinary sanctions reserved for conduct so incompetent, unethical or even criminal that the state believes an attorney's license should be taken away." An additional 9.5% inmates, "have received a new trial or sentencing because their attorneys' incompetence rendered the verdict or sentence unfair, court records show." (Ken Armstrong and Steve Mills, "Inept Defenses Cloud Verdict," Chicago Tribune, November 15, 1999)

    In North Carolina, at least 16 death row inmates, including 3 who were executed, were represented by lawyers who have been disbarred or disciplined for unethical or criminal conduct. (Charlotte Observer, Sept. 9, 2000).

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And they were excusing his act because of his childhood! (or attempting to). Na huh.
    Not sure what you mean here. The point was that he had inadequate legal representation during a death penalty trial. That's some serious ****!

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I never know what to make of your posts. You either have multiple personality disorder or you just enjoy ****ing with people.
    When I am Steve I like messing with people but when I am Edwardo I often wonder why people give me nasty looks...
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    When I am Steve I like messing with people but when I am Edwardo I often wonder why people give me nasty looks...
    Sounds confusing.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Sounds confusing.
    Not when I am Mary Ann... it all makes sense then.
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