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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, the point is that the government should not be given the power to take human life at it's whim. It really has nothing to do with the individuals unless there is the chance they could be innocent like this guy. EVERYONE thought this guy was guilty. Thankfully, there was no death penalty in RI at that time, but if he had been in a death penalty state, his "alleged" crime most certainly could have been a death penalty case, and if the guy who truly was guilty never came forward Mr. Hornoff would probably STILL be in jail today. Thankfully, he was alive to be freed and try to live out his life.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The question is "Do you support the death penalty." If you wish to refrain from discussing certain aspects, then that's on you.
    And that is what I just made clear too...
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And that is what I just made clear too...
    Well that's fine, but don't say it's not relevant because it is relevant to the topic, and it's interesting as well.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    Improve the system. Don't abolish the dp/
    People are going to be people. There will always be human error, whether intentional or not, for whatever reasons. Fairly recently there were 2 cases of evidence tampering (not related to a death penalty case, but to drug cases). It just goes to show that all of these things are ultimately in the hands of flawed human beings, and once a life is snuffed out, that's it. There's no taking it back.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    "One in 25 criminal defendants who has been handed a death sentence in the United States has likely been erroneously convicted. That number—4.1% to be exact—comes from a new analysis of more than 3 decades of data on death sentences and death row exonerations across the United States.

    “This was a very carefully done and carefully considered approach,” says statistician Bruce Levin of Columbia University, who was not involved in the new study. “The analysis was quite sophisticated, and the authors were transparent about both their assumptions and methods.”

    ...To calculate a more accurate false conviction rate, Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan Law School in Ann Arbor and a former criminal defense lawyer, decided to focus on one small subset of criminal cases: those that result in death sentences.

    “Every case where you have a death sentence is recorded in a national database,” Gross says. “And the rate at which errors are detected in death penalty cases is orders of magnitude higher than in other cases.” Defendants on death row have better access to attorneys, he notes, and more attention and resources are generally devoted to ensuring that their convictions are accurate........."

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    People are going to be people. There will always be human error, whether intentional or not, for whatever reasons. Fairly recently there were 2 cases of evidence tampering (not related to a death penalty case, but to drug cases). It just goes to show that all of these things are ultimately in the hands of flawed human beings, and once a life is snuffed out, that's it. There's no taking it back.
    I agree. However, certain cases really are cut and dry. The ones I posted are examples of this.. which is one of the reasons i posted it.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well that's fine, but don't say it's not relevant because it is relevant to the topic, and it's interesting as well.
    It wasn't relevant to what my point was... so I will say to is irrelevant although it is interesting as well.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyssa View Post
    I agree. However, certain cases really are cut and dry. The ones I posted are examples of this.. which is one of the reasons i posted it.
    Some people can't differentiate between the cut and dry ones and the muddled ones. They use the muddled ones to shoot down the whole idea.

    The Cleveland guy that kidnapped and raped the three women for over ten years? Cut and dry. The guy deserves the Death Penalty.

    Now Pistorius in South Africa? No death penalty. Not cut and dry. Although he killed her we will NEVER know if it was intentional or not.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    Capital punishment is always barbaric.
    Hmm, I'm not sure.

    I disagree with it outright, and I am entirely against the death penalty in a civil law system. But I don't think it's necessarily barbaric unless it's for the wrong reasons -- I simply think the death penalty is wrong, as the government shouldn't be in the business of killing its own citizens, no matter what they did.

    The barbarism is, however, often a constituent component of the system, sadly.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Hmm, I'm not sure.

    I disagree with it outright, and I am entirely against the death penalty in a civil law system. But I don't think it's necessarily barbaric unless it's for the wrong reasons -- I simply think the death penalty is wrong, as the government shouldn't be in the business of killing its own citizens, no matter what they did.

    The barbarism is, however, often a constituent component of the system, sadly.
    If state-sanctioned murder is not barbaric, what is? To put it in starker relief; can you honestly say that state-sanctioned murder is civilized?
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