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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    But if someone is proven innocent, you can let them out of prison. You can't bring them back from the dead.
    You can't give them back the 20 years of their lives that you've taken away either. So do try again.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You can't give them back the 20 years of their lives that you've taken away either. So do try again.
    That's true, you can't. And in cases where that's happened, the person is quite often very handsomely compensated. Doesn't give back the 20 years, but again, dead is dead, period.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Always find it interesting reading the different arguments put forth but it's not something i have to worry about here. The death penalty was abolished forever in Australia after Federal Parliament passed laws ensuring it could never be reinstated 2 years ago. The last time the death penalty was used was in 1967, many years before i was even born.

    I'm good with that. Not only is the DP barbaric but the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. How can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? It's not and it never will be. It won't bring closure, that has to come from within.
    Of course it won't be "Squared up" but neither should the person responsible continue to live while my loved one died because of them.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    If there were a way to be absolutely sure about someone's guilt.
    If there were a way to ensure those executed died near-instantly and without unreasonable amounts pain.

    I would support the death penalty for those convicted of violent and/or cold-blooded murder and/or rape.

    I think.

    It's really a case-by-case thing.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's true, you can't. And in cases where that's happened, the person is quite often very handsomely compensated. Doesn't give back the 20 years, but again, dead is dead, period.
    A billion dollars a year can't compensate people for losing the best years of their life rotting behind bars. And dead is dead, you're not suffering in a cell and your family can still be compensated if it turns out a mistake was made.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A billion dollars a year can't compensate people for losing the best years of their life rotting behind bars. And dead is dead, you're not suffering in a cell and your family can still be compensated if it turns out a mistake was made.
    Doesn't do the dead guy a hell of a lot of good.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    None of which is an answer. I'm not understanding why anyone thinks the death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent in the first place and nobody seems to have an answer. No offense, of course, yours just happened to be a message on that at the time I decided to ask.
    I didnt say that it was 'supposed to be a deterrent,' but IMO if killing someone doesnt serve some other purpose that lifetime incarceration does not, then it is a waste of $$ and is only an act of vengeance. Which I do not see as the place of the govt or the courts.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hint: not a single executed person has ever committed another crime.
    I would like to agree with this. I am standing by my stance of against DP because IMO it does not serve any purpose that *life in prison* does not.

    However because of the ridiculousness of our current judicial appeal process, most (all?) DP inmates have just as many years to escape and/or kill other inmates or prison employees as most 'lifers.'
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Doesn't do the dead guy a hell of a lot of good.
    Doesn't do him any good to waste the best years of his life behind bars either.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I didnt say that it was 'supposed to be a deterrent,' but IMO if killing someone doesnt serve some other purpose that lifetime incarceration does not, then it is a waste of $$ and is only an act of vengeance. Which I do not see as the place of the govt or the courts.
    You are aware that there is violence done in prison, right? People are injured and killed all the time. Those executed never harm another individual, those kept alive can and do. Besides, it isn't the government or the courts that mandate these things, it's society. Society wants these people put to death and the act is done through our representative bodies, the government and the courts.

    This is what happens when we allow our emotions to run away with us. The death penalty is taking out the trash. It's not vengeance.
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