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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hint: not a single executed person has ever committed another crime.
    And some of them didn't commit one in the first place!
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And some of them didn't commit one in the first place!
    the only decent argument against the death penalty. ^
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I really prefer that the scumbags get shot during the attempt, preferably by their intended victim, anyway.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And some of them didn't commit one in the first place!
    A valid point indeed.

    More prisoners are executed by other prisoners than are executed by the state. Many now get the death sentence simply by being placed into jail/prison. See table 13 in the following link:

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/pjdc0009st.pdf
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I really prefer that the scumbags get shot during the attempt, preferably by their intended victim, anyway.
    I do too, but I also have absolutely no problem with the criminal justice system doing it after conviction. That is one of the things I don't understand about people who are pro- self defense, but against the death penalty. To me, it is an inconsistent argument to argue that it's okay to kill in self-defense, but not after the fact, and after a fair trial has been completed and a guilt determined. It is as if the guilty party only deserves to die at one moment, but not as a general principle. That is so inconsistent as to be irrational to me.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hint: not a single executed person has ever committed another crime.
    Of course not, it has a 100% efficiency rating. Dead men commit no crimes.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And some of them didn't commit one in the first place!
    The same is true of people who get put in prison. There are lots of people behind bars that never committed the crime for which they were convicted. I don't see anyone wanting to close the prisons because of it though.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hint: not a single executed person has ever committed another crime.
    Still, the death penalty isn't a deterrent. In the Middle Ages, death was the only penalty. Once a month or whatever the town square would fill up with people watching robbers and murderers and pickpockets be executed and the pickpockets would be working the crowd.
    It's revenge, and that has value. It's definitely closure, a period on the end of a sentence, and that has value. But it doesn't deter crime.
    Me, I'm so liberal I don't trust the government to get highways paved without graft, I don't believe the government can do park landscaping without corruption, so I really don't want the government to have the power to execute citizens. And yes, I do equate courts and government- I'm that suspicious.
    Don't let the government kill people. You will regret it, eventually.
    Unless you're a conservative- then you want to expand the government's power to execute citizens. More, quicker, quieter.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The same is true of people who get put in prison. There are lots of people behind bars that never committed the crime for which they were convicted. I don't see anyone wanting to close the prisons because of it though.
    But if someone is proven innocent, you can let them out of prison. You can't bring them back from the dead.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Always find it interesting reading the different arguments put forth but it's not something i have to worry about here. The death penalty was abolished forever in Australia after Federal Parliament passed laws ensuring it could never be reinstated 2 years ago. The last time the death penalty was used was in 1967, many years before i was even born.

    I'm good with that. Not only is the DP barbaric but the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. How can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? It's not and it never will be. It won't bring closure, that has to come from within.

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