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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We hold these truths to be self-evident...
    Who's we? Oh, truth? Verily, the surest barometer. Because every time and culture has been identical, hasn't it? There's no difference between science and philosophy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bullcrap. Two wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn that when you were a kid?

    The desire being universal (rare exceptions given) is what implores us to describe it as a right. Because the desire is innate and universal, it is a natural right.
    A natural 'desire' rather, which includes the desire of others to deny. There's nothing whatever empirical here. Desire has to be about the flimsiest of motives. Certainly a far cry from any logical quality you impute to it.

    Did you honestly believe you were making history in this thread? That you'd stumbled on some hitherto undiscovered element of reason?
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    there ya go.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Keep them locked up. Forever. Unless and until some evidence pops up that they were wrongfully accused.

    Look, my absolute opposition to death penalty is not any kind of kindness overflow, or any residual Catholic sentiment. Hell, if had to choose between DP and life in prison, shoot me right now.

    This is not about them, really. This is about us.
    Being a gentlewoman from Ohio, you may not quite understand it (emotionally), but I was born and raised in places much less forgiving. If I would exact my - perfectly justified, by the standards of the last two thousands years - revenge on everyone who certainly deserves it ....well--- Volga, Don, Dnieper and a number of smaller rivers in the Eastern Europe would turn red for a few weeks....

    No.

    This is the only possible answer: NO.

    Don't get me wrong: I am a lifetime member of the NRA, all-out American patriot, tea-party-ing right-wing libertarian, etc, etc .

    But on this one, there can be no compromise: Countries worth defending do not execute helpless prisoners. I believe in America that is worth defending.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Who's we? Oh, truth? Verily, the surest barometer. Because every time and culture has been identical, hasn't it? There's no difference between science and philosophy?


    A natural 'desire' rather, which includes the desire of others to deny. There's nothing whatever empirical here. Desire has to be about the flimsiest of motives. Certainly a far cry from any logical quality you impute to it.

    Did you honestly believe you were making history in this thread? That you'd stumbled on some hitherto undiscovered element of reason?
    Your failure to understand morality, social constructs and terminology is not my problem. There is nothing unprecedented in my understanding, it is the same possessed by the founders.

    Maybe someday you'll get it, but I don't really care.

    Have a good day.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your failure to understand morality, social constructs and terminology is not my problem. There is nothing unprecedented in my understanding, it is the same possessed by the founders.

    Maybe someday you'll get it, but I don't really care.

    Have a good day.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    California recently released thousands of prisoners due to budget problems. I hope none of them were supposed to be in for life with no parole! *shudders*
    I don't think they would let out the type of prisoner that would be prone to commit violent acts. More like those who were jailed for drug offences and the like. If you get the opportunity this week, go to the PBS website and check out the latest Frontline. It's about the American prison system, focussing specifically in Kentucky. I have recorded it but have not watched yet. I get the impression that it's going to be eye-opening.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't think they would let out the type of prisoner that would be prone to commit violent acts. More like those who were jailed for drug offences and the like. If you get the opportunity this week, go to the PBS website and check out the latest Frontline. It's about the American prison system, focussing specifically in Kentucky. I have recorded it but have not watched yet. I get the impression that it's going to be eye-opening.
    I will! Thanks. All sorts of things seem to be happening in rapid succession all over the globe - perhaps some long overdo corrections are going to take place now in a number of areas.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, but society advances and evolves over time, having less need for such severe penalties. That's why so many countries don't have the death sentence anymore. Back when the sentencing was harsher, it was often due to the lack of education, civility and how great an impact stealing had on an impoverished society in comparison to today's cultures.

    Look at how severe the Sharia Laws are and how the Western civilizations find them too harsh and demeaning. Those kind of extremes don't equate to justice but rather the lack of it.

    I'm not trying to alter your opinion, but rather explaining my own, which I didn't formulate suddenly or without much consideration. I'm for justice and the determent of criminal behavior, though I don't believe most potential criminals consider the consequences of their actions, because they're mentally/emotionally imbalanced, desperate, anti-social, ignorant, mean, mistreated, etc.
    Good morning Grip, I enjoyed sharing with you on this topic. It made me use a couple of extra neurons. Have a good one.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, well, I don't forfeit my humanity card. I believe killing a helpless harmless captive is inhuman. It sets a bad example and thereby promotes murder through the justification of rationalization.
    And locking someone permanently in a cage is humane?
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Over this issue, eco turns into a frenzied schoolgirl running around screaming "BLOOD LUST!" like King Leonidas because a kid shoved a frog in her direction
    LOL

    Yeah, I kind of got the impression that this conversations wasn't going to be reasonable, rational, or mature in any way.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Guess you haven't heard about this . . .

    Botched lethal injection a new front in battle over U.S. executions - CNN.com

    Would you do it? Be the one to inject them with drugs that will kill them I mean?
    Greetings, ChrisL.

    I can't think that the ones appointed to do that job actually enjoy it. Will they be judged by karma as murderers? The swordsman with an ax that had to perform beheadings in the past seem more cruel in retrospect than what we do today, so perhaps we are becoming more humane and "civilized" as time passes. Was Dr. Kevorkian wrong to assist those who begged for his help in leaving their pain behind by choosing death...could he be called a murderer? I believe we are fortunate because we are ruled by laws that are equally fair for all, and there should be punishment for breaking those laws, but only God will judge if we are doing the right thing.

    To answer your question - could I do it? I don't think so, but I hope I never have that decision to make. On the other hand, using a hypothetical example, if one you love begs you to end their life, as many parents and spouses did in Japan when we used the atomic bomb and they were so horribly burned, would you feel guilt if you did? With the world becoming more dangerous, the possibility of a chemical or biological terrorist attack is certainly possible, according to experts. Could you do it under those circumstances without feeling like a murderer? Just something to think about.

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