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Thread: Death Penalty, for or against

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    And yes, your emotional investment is plain, or you wouldn't use the language you've employed here.
    Nonsense.

    Those who are satisfied by killing captives represent the emotional position herein.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Some do, some don't. But ultimately - who cares?

    Rapists and murderers should not write the rules for us. Forever reacting to their actions is a dead end.
    Poignant!

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    I don't judge the value of anyone's life. I don't know enough about anyone to do that.

    That you would judge someone's life as disposable is grotesque. It's disgusting base egoism driven by ugly emotion.
    It's not me who judges life as disposable. It is those who kill for no reason. My position is that it is reasonable to apply equal justice when someone kills for no reason.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Oh, but there is emotion in it. It is pity for murderers. That is an emotional response. It is not logical, nor reasonable, nor the position of justice.
    I don't think you've a mature grasp of justice. You think there's justice to be found for individuals through the justice system. That's nonsense. It's up to each individual to make themselves whole again. The justice system is for making society whole, not individuals.

    Justice demands the balancing of a wrongful act.
    There is no balancing death without the power to grant life.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The rarity of a prisoner in max security and solitary managing to kill someone is sufficient that we, as a society, have taken all reasonable action. Other prisoners are there of their own actions and guards are volunteers. That extremely minor exposure of society to the convict is far more ethically acceptable than slaughtering helpless people.
    The sad fact is that is possibly more cruel to cage folks up with no human contact than to execute them. Just becuase a person is in prison does not mean that they should be rendered helpless not to become the prey of those with nothing left to lose. If given the choice of solitary for life or death I would choose death.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not me who judges life as disposable. It is those who kill for no reason. My position is that it is reasonable to apply equal justice when someone kills for no reason.
    So, others decide the value of life for you. Murderers nonetheless. You might want to look for more astute ethical advisers.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Oh my. If you only knew how right you are about that. I do not favor the death penalty because it emotionally satisfies me. I favor it because I have no emotional investment, and because it is a reasonable response to kill someone who has killed. There is no vengeance in my position.
    Your position serves no purpose except emotional satisfaction. Killing someone in no way makes another whole.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If given the choice of solitary for life or death I would choose death.
    What makes you think you've the right to choose for others?

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Some do, some don't. But ultimately - who cares?

    Rapists and murderers should not write the rules for us. Forever reacting to their actions is a dead end.
    Dude, I think we can safely assume that a guy who commits rape and buries people alive is someone who won't be spending much time wrestling with his conscience.

    I don't accept the charge of equivalency, either. The judiciary acts in the interests of society at large, not as an instrument of unprovoked aggression.

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