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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : I just don't understand how a State can undo what the legal system has decided is just punishment, by releasing prisoners who are supposed to be serving life sentences. Maybe those released did not fall into that category?
    That's only because when sentenced to "life," it usually doesn't mean literally life, but more like 30 years, and then they get let out in like 15 or 20 on "good behavior." I personally think we should do away with parole for serious crimes and that a life sentence should be for the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What don't you understand about human error? Why would you want to risk killing an innocent person when you don't have to?
    I understand about the possibility of human error and execution of an innocent individual. I narrowly decried the wasteful and stupid methods. I would also decry the long delays and privacy of the execution, which removes any positive, prohibitive benefit of a death penalty.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Fine with me.

    So is war, btw.
    when needed.

    but when does that happen?
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I understand about the possibility of human error and execution of an innocent individual. I narrowly decried the wasteful and stupid methods. I would also decry the long delays and privacy of the execution, which removes any positive, prohibitive benefit of a death penalty.
    Well, it's lengthy because it's a more thorough and lengthy appeals process when it's a death penalty case. Not to mention, appeals are automatic when it comes to the death penalty, and it's super expensive too.

    The only people I might even consider the DP for would be serial killers, only because their minds are blown. There's no coming back when you're that gone.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I strongly support because I believe their crimes so evil that only just punishment is death.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    None of that matters when we are dealing with human beings. Prosecutors are human beings and so is everyone else who handles the evidence all the way down the line. There have been many instances of error, contamination of evidence and also willful prosecutorial misconduct, among other problems.

    Not to mention, why would ANYONE want their government to have the power to take a citizen's life when we can lock them up?
    That depends, I wonder if this isn't a generational thing. The younger one is the more they are against the death penalty and the older, the more in favor. Just a thought. I do not have any stats, I never thought I would get into a conversation over the death penalty, now elections is quite different. Yes, we are all human and being human we make mistakes. But just locking someone up after he planed and murdered some folks seems to be letting him off rather easy. what about those he murdered? They're gone, permanently. It kind of, it is like giving the murder a slap on the wrist. Then being back to human, there is always a chance some judge will pardon or let a murder out of jail. Sirhan Sirhan has come up for parole a few times now.

    Perhaps there is the difference between those who believe in the death penalty and those who do not. In a way neither side trusts the judicial system. One is afraid an innocent man will be found guilty and hung, the other is afraid a guilty many will be paroled or set free. That once set loose on society again, he will kill again.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That depends, I wonder if this isn't a generational thing. The younger one is the more they are against the death penalty and the older, the more in favor. Just a thought. I do not have any stats, I never thought I would get into a conversation over the death penalty, now elections is quite different. Yes, we are all human and being human we make mistakes. But just locking someone up after he planed and murdered some folks seems to be letting him off rather easy. what about those he murdered? They're gone, permanently. It kind of, it is like giving the murder a slap on the wrist. Then being back to human, there is always a chance some judge will pardon or let a murder out of jail. Sirhan Sirhan has come up for parole a few times now.

    Perhaps there is the difference between those who believe in the death penalty and those who do not. In a way neither side trusts the judicial system. One is afraid an innocent man will be found guilty and hung, the other is afraid a guilty many will be paroled or set free. That once set loose on society again, he will kill again.
    I've got no problems with making jail a much more miserable place. I don't really feel pity for the killers. I think prisoners should be put to use.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    I am against the death penalty for quite a few reasons, but here are the most important ones....

    1) If even one innocent person is executed, then the state itself has committed murder. This actually happened in Texas recently.

    2) The cost of executing a criminal is 4 times the cost of imprisoning him for life, without the chance for parole. And that cost runs into the many millions for each person executed. We can better put that money elsewhere.

    3) Executing a criminal makes us less civilized, and puts us in fine company with the likes of Iran, Egypt, and North Korea. Civilized nations no longer execute convicted criminals. Barbarians do.

    4) Barbarians also torture people to death, which is exactly what happened here.

    However, I am not shedding any tears for the asshole in Oklahoma, whose execution was botched. He shot a young woman, then had his cronies bury her while she was still alive. The other criminal, who was scheduled to be executed right after him, and whose execution was put on hold, raped and murdered an eleven month old baby. I will never share a tear for them, but the process is flawed. We need to recognize that, and ban the death penalty, once and for all. It is a relic of barbarism.

    For those who don't agree with me, then I have a suggestion. Let's make executions public again. Lynch 'em right in the town square, and sell hot dogs, beer, and cotton candy to all those who come to see the show. That's what we used to do. It was a real three ring circus back then. Come to think of it, it's still a three ring circus today.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, it's lengthy because it's a more thorough and lengthy appeals process when it's a death penalty case. Not to mention, appeals are automatic when it comes to the death penalty, and it's super expensive too.
    And it seems that program could be sped up and streamlined if our goal was to reduce waste. I understand that everyone is going to try to appeal because they have nothing to lose by doing so, but that doesn't mean that there is a strong case to be made for dragging every one of them out ad nauseum.

    The only people I might even consider the DP for would be serial killers, only because their minds are blown. There's no coming back when you're that gone.
    I'm sure you could find other cases. Sadistic sociopaths, for example.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I understand about the possibility of human error and execution of an innocent individual. I narrowly decried the wasteful and stupid methods. I would also decry the long delays and privacy of the execution, which removes any positive, prohibitive benefit of a death penalty.
    The benefit of the death penalty is the guarantee that the one put to death will never have the chance to kill again. Locking a murderer up for life always reserve the chance of parole, that sooner or later he will be set free and kill again. That is not a benefit to society.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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