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Thread: Death Penalty, for or against

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Society is comprised of many different views...the problem with Capital Punishment is that the government puts the decision of whether a person lives or dies in the hands of 12 people. Kind of a ridiculous proposition in my view.
    Is it any more ridiculous than an elected representative acting in the electorate's interests? You seem to be making an argument for direct democracy. If that's the case, you should say as much. If it's not, you should familiarise yourself with the concept of delegation. That an unelected body makes decisions is moot, given it's existence as part of a larger body so empowered. If that's undesirable, they can be removed.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No it doesn't....it represents the views of 12 people. This might be ok when determining guilt or innocence in a criminal trial, it is a much different proposition when the government is deciding whether to kill someone.
    Not if they're elected, it's not.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There are no legitimate reasons to have a death penalty. The only possible one is vengence....although I would argue that this is not a legitimate reason.
    If indeed legitimacy caters solely to your personal definitions.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why would you want to risk killing an innocent person when you don't have to?
    That's a good question to ask the murdering thugs.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    That's a good question to ask the murdering thugs.
    Ironic.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    "Some people deserved to be fried but I don't believe in giving the government the power to fry people"

    a former US Attorney, now a highly respected federal district judge

    the best comment on this topic I have ever heard.



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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : I just don't understand how a State can undo what the legal system has decided is just punishment, by releasing prisoners who are supposed to be serving life sentences. Maybe those released did not fall into that category?
    I am not aware of any cases where someone is sentenced for life, no parole and yet get released on parole? Does it happen?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am not aware of any cases where someone is sentenced for life, no parole and yet get released on parole? Does it happen?
    Neither am I though Ohio only recently added that option. However, there are cases of people sentenced to LWOP killing other prisoners or guards.



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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Actually, it is the other way around. The proponents of death penalty are driven by their emotions, "animal spirits".

    Yes, it is natural to seek vengeance.
    I mean, if were a father of one of the kids gunned down by Mr. Breivik on July 22, 2011 - well, the first thing I would do on the day he is released from prison (those super-"humane" Scandinavian laws...) is to sink as many rounds into his chest as I could, before cops bring me down.

    But.

    This is not how you build or sustain civilization. This is how you destroy it.

    Do I know what "justice" is? How? Oh, sure, it says so-and-so in a sacred book - the Torah, if I am lucky; the Complete Works of Parteigenosse Lenin/Hitler/Mao - if I was born on the wrong side of the fence....

    Screw that. I do not know what's "justice". Have I ever been to another person's brain? Felt what he or she feels? Knew what she or he knows? Suffered from exactly the same kind of madness?

    Justice is impossible. Period. Unless you are the all-knowing God. Are you?
    What else should we refrain from in our lack of omniscience? Or does lack of godhood apply only in matters judicial? It seems to me that, given this approach, we ought to refrain from any course that doesn't begin and end purely with ourselves. That can't be your intention.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    the death penalty............. government sanctioned murder.
    Fine with me.

    So is war, btw.

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