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Thread: Death Penalty, for or against

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Well, you are incapable of thinking logically. Letting your emotions run away with you clouds logic and that is why people like you whine about the DP.
    Actually, it is the other way around. The proponents of death penalty are driven by their emotions, "animal spirits".

    Yes, it is natural to seek vengeance.
    I mean, if were a father of one of the kids gunned down by Mr. Breivik on July 22, 2011 - well, the first thing I would do on the day he is released from prison (those super-"humane" Scandinavian laws...) is to sink as many rounds into his chest as I could, before cops bring me down.

    But.

    This is not how you build or sustain civilization. This is how you destroy it.

    Do I know what "justice" is? How? Oh, sure, it says so-and-so in a sacred book - the Torah, if I am lucky; the Complete Works of Parteigenosse Lenin/Hitler/Mao - if I was born on the wrong side of the fence....

    Screw that. I do not know what's "justice". Have I ever been to another person's brain? Felt what he or she feels? Knew what she or he knows? Suffered from exactly the same kind of madness?

    Justice is impossible. Period. Unless you are the all-knowing God. Are you?

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Exactly. I am an atheist, but one does not have believe in literal, biblical God to see the danger of idolatry. Giving State the authority to kill someone who is neutralized, isolated and harmless means endowing a demonstrably flawed human institution with the God-like power of final judgment.
    How do you feel about thousands of criminals being released in California because they don't have the money to keep them incarcerated? Who is responsible if even one of them kill again? If a jury has found them guilty in a court of law, why is punishment wrong? What would you suggest be done with them?

    Greetings, Cyrylek.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Thanks for sharing...
    it is an answer to the question of the thread.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    the death penalty............. government sanctioned murder.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I totally and completely understand... When those two guys were caught in the home invasion and killed everybody, including the little girls, set the house on fire, and the dad escaped, I think they deserved to be put to death. Those guys were total psychopaths and absolutely frightening.
    One of the worst stories in recent memory. Bless those poor girls and their mother. Not even in their home were they safe. That one monster raped that little girl. And their poor father. That story still makes me shudder. Those 2 pieces of filth have no place in society.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    How do you feel about thousands of criminals being released in California because they don't have the money to keep them incarcerated? Who is responsible if even one of them kill again? If a jury has found them guilty in a court of law, why is punishment wrong? What would you suggest be done with them?

    Greetings, Cyrylek.
    Keep them locked up. Forever. Unless and until some evidence pops up that they were wrongfully accused.

    Look, my absolute opposition to death penalty is not any kind of kindness overflow, or any residual Catholic sentiment. Hell, if had to choose between DP and life in prison, shoot me right now.

    This is not about them, really. This is about us.

    Being a gentlewoman from Ohio, you may not quite understand it (emotionally), but I was born and raised in places much less forgiving. If I would exact my - perfectly justified, by the standards of the last two thousands years - revenge on everyone who certainly deserves it ....well--- Volga, Don, Dnieper and a number of smaller rivers in the Eastern Europe would turn red for a few weeks....

    No.

    This is the only possible answer: NO.

    Don't get me wrong: I am a lifetime member of the NRA, all-out American patriot, tea-party-ing right-wing libertarian, etc, etc .

    But on this one, there can be no compromise: Countries worth defending do not execute helpless prisoners. I believe in America that is worth defending.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The death penalty is in the news again in America because states are turning to new, untested drug concoctions to use for lethal injection, and sometimes the drugs being used in executions cause complications and prolonged dying. There was a case a few months ago out of Ohio, but the story coming out of Oklahoma seems the most controversial yet. It actually delayed another man's execution.

    A link to the story is below...



    So do you favor the death penalty?

    Do you think the death penalty will last in America considering the declining availability of traditional lethal injection drugs?



    Oklahoma’s horrible ‘botched execution’ shows again why the death penalty should be abolished


    I have long been a supporter of it, as I believe there are some crimes for which there is no other appropriate and suitable punishment.


    However, in recent years I've become concerned about the uneven application of the penalty, and the risks of executing an innocent person: you can always free a man if new evidence is found, but you cannot un-execute him.

    As such my support for it has waned somewhat... while I have no problem with it in theory (let the punishment fit the crime), in practice the gov't tends to **** things up too often to entrust them with the power of life and death this way.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    If killing is wrong, then killing to prove that killing is wrong is still wrong. And killing IS wrong, even when you feel like it's justified retribution.
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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    One of the worst stories in recent memory. Bless those poor girls and their mother. Not even in their home were they safe. That one monster raped that little girl. And their poor father. That story still makes me shudder. Those 2 pieces of filth have no place in society.
    I agree, and as much as that makes me want to kill them with my bare hands, I'm still anti death penalty. I know that it's a knee jerk reaction on my part and that LWOP is a fine way to separate these animals from the rest of society.

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    Re: Death Penalty, for or against

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    If killing is wrong, then killing to prove that killing is wrong is still wrong. And killing IS wrong, even when you feel like it's justified retribution.
    Taking life is acceptable and necessary in certain circumstances though. Imprisoning others against their will is not a moral act under normal circumstances either, but it can certainly be justified as a punishment for violent and damaging behavior.

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